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Welcome to CS Joseph Responds, I’m your host Chase, here to answer your questions on any topic, Jungian Analytical Psychology, or the four sides of the mind, also known as Four Sides Dynamics. Today’s question is, why do SFJs dislike INFPs? And the source of today’s is, well it’s Quora, as usual. So let’s actually take a look at the question, right now. And we got two answers to this question, one by Yuriko Furiyama, Officially Certified Purebred INTP 5W6 514 SP/X, LII-0, INT with a little j, which indicates INTP in the Socionics Model. And here he goes. “Because, I’m sorry, but you asked, so here’s the truth,” how very TI of him. “FI can be a pain in the butt for any FE people, “not just SFJs, but even STP, NTP, NFJ as well. “FE’s focus is external harmony, but FI,” which is morals, FE is ethics, so ethics focuses external harmony, but, “Introverted feeling or FI, also known as morals, “tends to act like, ‘I don’t care what you think.’ “This hurts, because FE cares about you and how you feel,” but he’s saying what you think for some reason. “They consider you. “They’re just wired that way “so that you really can’t criticize them and say, “‘No-one asked them to consider me. “Besides that, FE also cares about social etiquettes, “FI, mostly FI doms, don’t care about that, “if that means sacrificing their authenticity. “To FE that is rude. “Guess that’s it.” Okay, I am so triggered by this post, because, for one, this guy is like, “Oh, I’m just gonna do that thing “and pretend to be like everybody else “and actually think that FI means authenticity.” No it doesn’t, for all you FI users out there that believe that FI is authenticity, it’s crap, it’s not actually correct. The reality of the situation is is that TI, AKA logic, that’s authentic, logic is authentic, not morals, morals are extremely subjective, logic is a bit more objective than morals. Because, the reason why is because, logic is just a system, you put input into the system, it gets processed with logic, and then you get an output. So, quite frankly the morality of the situation is pretty subjective, right? Whereas the process of logic is actually objective itself, if this then that, basically. That’s pretty objective, therefore it’s more authentic, this whole idea that FI is authentic, it’s crap, it’s not real, it’s bullshit, it’s not even a thing. So don’t listen to that. So please Mr. Yuriko Furiyama, don’t be like that guy who’s like “Oh yeah, FI means authenticity.” No, it actually doesn’t. FI likes to look authentic. And they only look authentic if they’re actually gonna be honest about their feelings, but they’re not honest about their feelings all the time. You know what I’m saying? And guess what, some of the reasons why SFJs dislike INFPs, you know. However, you are correct in saying that extroverted feelings focuses external harmony, and then FI tends to act like “Well I don’t care what you think,” well that’s not necessarily true, I don’t agree with that, some TI users can do that way. Especially Ti parents, or Ti critic. They often say, “I don’t care what you think” like all the time, so, I don’t exactly know, where, Mr. Yuriko, you’re actually coming up with this. Like, how are coming up with this conclusion? And also I’m equally triggered by the fact that you just named yourself officially certified purebred, INTP. What did you do, take a random online test that’s only one out of five accurate? Or did you actually pay for an official MBTI test and the process that costs an insane amount of money, and then multiple hours of your life, and hopefully you had somebody sitting there with you doing the MBTI test, to actually explain it to you. Because they already know that the test is very inaccurate to begin with so they have to have an extra human being to explain it to you and provide additional resources, packets of information, maybe little tiny mini books or whatever. Just so that you can increase your one out of five up to maybe a seven out of ten accuracy, where you’re still lookin’ at a 30% chance of actually getting any correct answer from the test, even if you’re taking the MBTI test. This is why MBTI tests suck, folks, let’s be honest. So, anyway. That being said. Overall, I appreciate Yuriko Furiyama’s attempt at answering this question even though it is grossly incorrect. However, there’s yet another question, from Heather Hoffer, studied at Western Kentucky University, graduated in 2007. She says, “I’m an INFP, and my best friends are ISFJs.” Yeah, well, I doubt that, but whatever, I guess it’s possible, probably because, if you really are an INFP those ISFJs are catering to you at every moment. But they’re probably actually INFJs, or maybe you’re an INFJ, or maybe you’re actually an ISFP, have you considered that, because ISFPs and ISFJs, that’s silver pair compatibility, that’s super compatible and they’ll definitely like each other. So maybe you’re not actually an INFP, you just imagine you are, like, most ISFPs end up doing because Ne trickster, for some reason thinks they have some sort of grasp on metaphysics because they take psychedelic drugs, whenever they have the opportunity to do so. So, are you one of those ISFPs Heather, is that what you’re saying here, I mean I’m not entirely sure. I hope. Let’s just hope that your answer actually is correct. I hope, I really do. She says, “I don’t know what else to say,” oh that’s typical for an FI hero to start out with, “To say except to start counting the ISFJs in my life,” okay, how do you know they’re ISFJs, what are you doing to actually verify this? Really, what are you doing? Are you subjecting them to those one out of five tests again? Oh, because you’re so afilliative, afilliative people focus on doing the right thing, you know? And I guess it’s the right thing to listen to this test, because, they have #morecredibility so, because they’re more credible, I’m gonna listen to them. You know, that whole thing where you would rather put your trust in credible experts instead of people that actually know how to do it. You know what I’m saying? Isn’t that fomenting ignorance? Are you causing ignorance in this society, Heather? I have to know, is that’s what’s happening, or are you actually taking the time to verify your beliefs for once? That would be nice. “So, I don’t know what else to say, “except to start counting the ISFJs in my life “who I really appreciate, and it’s reciprocated. “One two three four five six, even my husband is an ISFJ,” yeah I doubt that, if he really was an ISFJ, you’re guys’ sexual relationship would be insanely boring. You’d be like, “Oh, touch me, please touch me, give it to me!” And then he’s like, “Give it to me, why aren’t you touching me?” It’s like, you have two people expecting the other person to touch them, you have no touchers, you got two touchees, in this sexual relationship, but no touchers. And everyone’s screaming to be touched. And then they’re accusing each other of “Oh you’re not here for my comfort!” “Well you’re never here for my comfort!” “Well I think this is dumb, and you don’t want me,” and they’re always complaining to each other about how the other person doesn’t actually want the other person, and it’s like, okay wow, why are you in a sexual relationship? Which, basically, that doesn’t happen, because, people don’t get married typically if they have really bad sexual chemistry, so, if that’s the case, I’m inclined to believe that either she is mistyped or her husband’s mistyped. And yet she is electing herself an expert in this moment by answering this question on Quora. Wow, wow, God save the Queen, wait a minute we can’t because she’s just as ignorant as the rest. Anyway. “Even my husband is an ISFJ, he is number seven.” Okay, lucky number seven, I don’t know why that was relevant to this conversation but I guess that makes sense to extroverted thinking inferior at this moment, because, this person is obviously insecure about how other people think about her at all times, like, wow. Do I even need to continue with talking about her? She continues. “Remarkably, I guess.” Wait a minute, how can you start a sentence saying that it’s remarkable and then say that you guess it’s remarkable? I don’t understand. There’s no consistency here. “I get on fantastically with this temperament.” Which temperament, are you talkin’ about SJs, are you talkin’ about NFs, are you an NF? Or are you an SP? “I wrote my post on my favorite MBTI to least favorite MBTI, “and ISFJs are at the top.” And apparently, 390 people viewed it. Is there a downvote button? Is there a downvote button on Quora, please God almighty, install one. Please, oh gosh, oh gosh, I’m melting. Alright. Now to actually answer the question, with the correct answer. So, the question, again, is why do SFJs dislike INFPs? The reason why is SFJs find INFPs to be the most selfish human beings that walk the earth. Completely depraved. To the point where they’re so focused on, “Oh I’m just gonna make decisions based on my mood, “and I only care about my comfort, “your comfort’s not as important as my comfort, “because, I’m more important than you. “My mood is more important than you. “I’m a more valuable person than you are. “See, all these people think, I’m so awesome, “and no-one thinks that about you, “so I’m obviously better than you, which means, “I’m entitled to special treatment.” And SFJs are completely triggered by the INFPs literally , and that’s obviously a caricature guys, I mean obviously it is. But, the point is is that, even though it is a caricature, INFPs, because an extroverted sensing trickster, they have no clue how they come off to other people, and it’s extremely off-putting to SFJs, they could barely put up with it. They have no desire to be around INFPs whatsoever, for the most part, because INFPs just come off so selfish, so entitled, so SJW, so , the level of entitlement is insane. And oftentimes, it gets even worse, because ISFJs constantly observe INFPs, from sacrificing their fellow human beings, for the sake of their own agenda. Right? And SFJs hate it, because it’s unjust. And, as a result of that, the SFJs have no choice but to publicly shame, the INFPs who are actually doing this. But you, know, hey a lotta people don’t understand that public shaming is the greatest weakness to an INFP, in fact that’s how INFPs who are often in positions of power in politics are often blackmailed, by SFJs, to control them. Because that’s the easiest way to control an INFP is through blackmail. Lotta people don’t know that, right? Easiest way to control an SFJ, conversely, is to make them feel unwanted, as much as possible. And also cause them to feel like they’re not contributing to anything, and make them feel like they’re a bad person, while also making them be unwanted and as undesirable as possible in the eyes of other people, right? Which, interestingly enough, sometimes INFPs can actually do to SFJs, but for some reason INFPs think, because they’re so hurt, with my titles, my credibility, my reputation, and my status, they try to attack other people’s status, but little do they realize, SFJs don’t really give a damn about their own status, so that usually fails. The point is, it’s a competition between, whose comfort is more important. But then SFJs see how unfair INFPs behave, because INFPs always make it about their own self-aggrandizement, and their own status, and oftentimes put themselves above other human beings, and INFPs are often oblivious to the fact that they even do this to begin with, because they end up becoming so depraved and so entitled, that they’re not even aware that they even come off this way. So, that’s basically, the answer to this question. So, anyway. If you’d like a chance at your question answered, on this channel, please post it on Quora, and tag me or leave it as a comment below on this YouTube channel. If you want a guaranteed answer for your question, become a silver patron at https:www.csjoseph.life/patreon. And post your question on our private Q and A Discord channel, where I’m answering all your questions during a private livestream once a month. Please also make sure to like and subscribe to support the channel. 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