Season 2, Episode 2 Transcript


Chase: Hey, guys. It’s Chase with CSJoseph.Life. Welcome to the next nine video series. We’re going to do eight videos on learning about specific components and a ninth video we’ll be learning about how it all ties together. I’m talking about the temperaments and the interaction styles and how to utilize them to type yourself and others without using a test.

Chase: Again, there’s a lot of problems with tests. They’re inaccurate, prone to weak against human error. They’re incomplete. They only test for ego and they don’t give you the rest of the information. It’s just very limited. They lead people to have wrong ideas about their type or their ego or any component of their cognition.

Chase: Remember, type is about one’s nature. It’s not about measuring nurture, which is what Big Five, HEXACO, or things like Enneagram and the like. Those are what they attempt to test on or at least a mixture of nature and nurture and not actually just nature, which is what we’re going to be focusing on with depth psychology. It’s just nature.

Chase: Anyway, nature is able to be classified in these 16 archetypes according to Jung because Jung identified the first primary and secondary cognitive sense in someone’s head, right? Well, he noticed that there were 16 variations and since the chain of custody since Jung to today, we have been able to identify 16 archetypes.

Chase: The problem is, is that we have a hard time identifying those archetypes and someone came up with the brilliant idea, Isabel Myers, for example, to create test with which we could utilize to identify their type.

Chase: The problem with the test is that it really focuses on just those four letters. So ENTJ, ESTP, INTP, ISTJ. Those types of things. They’re four letters. Introversion versus extroversion, sensing versus intuition, thinking versus feeling, judging versus perceiving, right? That’s what these tests focus on. Again, it’s still pretty limiting and definitely not ideal.

Chase: Let’s dive into the temperaments. The temperaments came from Plato. Some people also would say Hippocratus, or Hippocrates or however you say his name, also, did, but not quite. The temperaments that I’m referring to came from Plat’s Republic. Those are the guardians, the artisans, the thinkers and the idealists.

Chase: Each of those four things is how Plato would categorize people with his philosophies as well as those that followed Plato or who Plato followed himself. That is generally how the Greeks of antiquity would basically classify people. They’d be those guys walking on the street and be like, “Hey, there’s four kinds of people and they do this and this,” etc.

Chase: But again it’s still pretty limiting. At least the Greeks were definitely on the right track because what they identified was the temperaments. The temperaments are absolutely legitimate.

Chase: This video because I just kind of basically did an introduction to temperaments. We’re just going to start with one temperament and each subsequent video will just go into another temperament and another temperament until we get to the interaction styles. Then I’ll introduce the interaction styles and we’ll just focus on one of those until they’re done. Then a final video that will reveal all of it and I will provide basically a grid on my white board to show how you can utilize these in a times tables, like multiplication tables, which basically identify your type or identify anyone else’s type, right?

Chase: Okay. The first temperament we’re going to talk about are the guardians, according to Plato. I like to call them the traditionalists. They’re the most common of all the types in the world. There’s four types that make up the traditionalists. That’s the ESTJ, the ESFJ, the ISTJ, and the ISFJ. Also, known as the SJs. Sensing judging types.

Chase: The sensing judging types are all about tradition. They’re past focused. They’re duty based. They’re focused on safety and protecting and they’ll even go so far as to justify their lying and saying, “I was lying to protect you.” You see that all the time in television for some reason. That’s because American television is very SJ focused. Right?

Chase: American culture is SJ focused. We are an SJ society. We are a traditionalist society. That’s why military people, fireman, policeman, which are usually almost always SJ types are revered above the rest in our nation because this is an SJ focused society.

Chase: It’s not like Japan which is an NT focused society. NTs are the thinkers or the intellectuals, but we’ll get to that in a few videos.

Chase: SJ types, this is an SJ dominated society. Our television is dominated by it. Every aspect of our culture is dominated by it. What’s worse is that SJs make up 40%, 40% of the world’s population. They are super common. Compared to the others, the artisans are 30%, okay? Well, SJs plus SPs are sensors, right? That’s 70% of the population are sensors.

Chase: Then they look at the intuitives and think there’s something wrong with the intuitives, right? Well, that’s just not going to work. That’s not how it is. Intuitives are just rarer. Right? They’re a lot rarer than sensors.

Chase: But anyway, SJ types, they’re the kind of people that always do what they should do. It’s not about what they want. It’s all about what they should and they live in the past. They’re always aware of the intentions of other people. Either from a child-like point of view where they’re like, “Hey, I’m just going to give you what you want or just tell me what you want so I know what I can do.” That type of thing. Or what I should do. Tell me what you want so I know what I should do. Or they’re just afraid of what others intentions people have and automatically it turns into some kind of just needless paranoia in some cases because again, they’re focused on safety and protection. It’s all about safety and protection to these people.

Chase: The SJs have to be comfortable. It’s all about their comfort and they want to receive sensation. They’re willing to try anything. They’re willing to have any experience out there. They’ll try any flavor of ice cream. Let’s be honest. They’ll go in any form of social situation. They have that YOLO type of point of view of, “I’ve never done it before so I’m just going to do it to see if I like it and then I can say, ‘No, I didn’t.’”

Chase: An SJ could be convinced to try anything at one point in time. There’s not really much you can do about that.

Chase: Now, sure, once they’ve tried it and if it has a negative experience, they’re never going to forget about it. That’s one of the things about SJs, they have insane long-term memory access. They can remember everything. They’re literally that wife that you’ve had and you’ve been married to her for 30 years and she’ll bring up something from 26 years ago and you’re like, “Really? That happened so long ago. How’s that even remotely relevant to right now?” They do that. They’ll bring up stuff, old pains, old hurt, old wounds from decades before to make a point in the present. Right? Because they remember everything.

Chase: Because they remember everything and they have this long-term memory access they’re all about loyalty. Loyalty and honor means everything to SJs. That’s why they make up the majority of the people who are in the military or on the police force or who are firemen. Those basic SJ oriented career paths because they’re all about protecting people. Protecting the United States of America. Protecting the local from fires. Protecting people from crime. To serve. To serve and protect. That police slogan is everything that is an SJ. It is dominated by SJs.

Chase: In fact, SJs are little kids that are constantly telling everyone, “I’m going to be a fireman when I grow up. I’m going to be that policeman when I grow up.” That’s why it’s become this cultural tradition where we ask little kids, “Hey, what are you going to be when you grow up?” That came from the fact that SJs would always be telling everyone that they wanted to be a fireman or a policeman. They make up the majority for their temperament on the planet because there’s 40% of the population are SJs. So because of that, they have dominance.

Chase: In our society, especially American society, in fact, most first world society is basically biased in favor of the SJs. If you’re not an SJ, you’re probably weird or there’s something wrong with you. Everyone is trying to become an SJ or be like them. In some cases, in some really bad cases, if you’re not like an SJ you’re going to be put on Ritalin. Or you’re going to be diagnosed with ADD, ADHD. Or you’re going to be diagnosed with autism because you’re not like everybody else because they make up the majority, right?

Chase: So, those are some cultural problems that come because we are in an SJ dominate society, right? Again, that’s what this temperament is all about.

Chase: Past focused. They are always living in the past. They don’t really live in the moment. They can, but it’s a secondary function to them. Primarily they live in the past. That’s about what they’re experiencing. All about what they are experiencing and the experiences that they can get. They want to receive sensation.

Chase: SJ types, like specifically in the bedroom, like sexually, they want to receive sensation, which means they have no problem being on the bottom. Being on the top is a very secondary thing to them. Imagine an SJ man with an SP woman. The SP woman would be on top primarily, where he would be on top secondarily because he’s more focused on receiving sensation. She’s more focused on giving sensation, right? Because that’s what SPs are all about, the artisans.

Chase: They’re past focused. They’re duty based. They’re do what they should. They don’t make decisions about what they want. Never ask an SJ what they want. That’s a bad idea. You only tell an SJ what they should do. “Hey, you should do this.” Then you say, “Well, you should do this because I saw someone else doing it and it worked out for them.” Because I saw someone else did it, I want to do it. So you should do it with me, right? That’s how that conversation … That’s a very extroverted sensing and eye approach to introverted sensing, extrovert intuition approach.

Chase: Because the SEs is trying to give the SI user, SJs, are all SI users to have that experience.

Chase: Again, they’re all about tradition. If you don’t have traditions or if you’re not supporting their traditions, they’re just going to hate you. They’re very regular people. They like to play it safe. They think they’re very intelligent in their investing if they’re playing it safe and not taking much risks. Then they judge you for taking too much risk. SJs can be very risk averse. Then they judge other people who are not as risk adverse as they are, which is kind of sad. Let’s be honest.

Chase: But, yeah. That is the first temperament SJ types. ESTJs, ESFJs, ISTJs, ISDJs. Some are pretty quick. Some are pretty slow. They go at their own pace, very control oriented versus very movement oriented, but they are still SJs. Past focused, duty based, protectors, safety oriented and they make up the majority.

Chase: It’s very frustrating for me because I’m an intuitive, right? They look at me like I’m the weirdest thing they’ve ever seen. Of course, my type makes up less than 3% of the population, whereas, like an ISFJ is 7% to 9% in some cases. SJs just look at me and they like, “Wow. You’re weird,” or “Wow. You don’t belong here,” or, “Wow. There’s something off with that one. Wow. He’s mental.” Or just insert label after label because again, everyone is like them. They know that they’re like everybody else. They’re the ones that can easily fit in to any situation because they make up the majority.

Chase: Our society is structured around them, completely around them. What are you going to do? Right? The only thing an intuitive is left to do is to try to navigate that territory and pretend to be SJ or even in some cases, an SP just to be able to cope with the fact that we’re in an SJ society. Right?

Chase: Don’t forget, every society on the planet has some kind of archetypal biased towards it. Not every society’s an SJ society. Some of them are SP societies. There’s a lot of societies or nations in Africa that are very SP oriented. Japan is very NT oriented.

Chase: Being SP oriented means you’re an artisan oriented or NT oriented means you’re an intellectually oriented. There’s also some nations that are NF oriented, which is idealist. They’re very idealistic. Right? Which means they sometimes value progressivism really, really high with how they structure their nation and their laws etc.

Chase: It’s very interesting to see the temperaments. It certainly affects the micro level, but it also affects the macro level as well. All of these different archetypal biases are present and we need to be aware of it.

Chase: So yeah. That’s the first temperament. I’m probably going to be doing another video in the very near future about the next temperament, which is the artisans. So, if you found this video educational, helpful, or assists you in any way please leave a like or subscribe.

Chase: If you have any questions, leave a comment and I will go out of my way to answer your question and yeah. Thanks for watching. I’ll talk to you later.

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