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Welcome to CS Joseph Responds. I’m your host Chase here to answer your questions on any topic Jungian analytical psychology, or the Four Sides of the Mind, also known as Four Sides Dynamics. Today’s question is, is it possible that an INTJ behaves like an ESFP when they are drunk? And the source of today’s question is Quora. So let’s take a look at the question. Here it is. And it seems not an official request, but and is it possible that an INTJ behaves like an ESFP? And no one else has answered. So, fair enough I’ll give the standard CSJ crack at this question. Let’s get to the bottom of this. So, every one of the 16 types, of the 16 personalities has actually four individual types inside their heads at all time. So, if you’re an INTJ, you’re an INTJ ego but you have an ESFP subconscious as well as ENTP unconscious and an ISFJ, superego. These are the four sides of the mind and like literally four different human beings, four different personas living in your head at all times. We have proof of this, for example, when people get into a situation, and they’re trying to make a decision about something and they’re like, “Okay, I wanna do this.” But another side of me is like, “Maybe I wanna do it this way.” And then another side of me is like, “Well, what about this?” You know, so it creates a form of indecision, because the four sides of the mind are disintegrated, and they may be opposing or opposition with each other, et cetera. And that’s generally how, you know how we say it’s kind of like having a an angel or a demon sitting on your shoulders, talking your ears, right? That’s the entire you know, that’s the whole premise behind it basically. So those are the four sides of the mind. And when using mind altering substances, including stimulants or depressants, caffeine, alcohol, marijuana or any drug there of, et cetera. Even like hallucinogens, et cetera it doesn’t matter whatever mind altering substances can cause something known as cognitive transition. Cognitive transition is when somebody basically changes from their ego in this case an INTJ ego into a different side of their mind, and they become a completely different type for a temporary period of time. If you wanna learn more about cognitive transitions, please watch season 22 and season 17 playlists on my other YouTube channel. You can find this YouTube channel by going to the main channel page of this YouTube channel going to feature channels and clicking the CS Joseph button which will bring you to our other channel and then you can just go to the playlist check out season 17 and season 22. I actually just recently released the season 22 episode for INTJs and I think that would be an excellent for anyone to start to better understand the four sides of the mind. That being said when someone uses a mind altering substance, it can cause cognitive transition. Now again, mind altering substances also include psychotropic drugs like Ritalin, or even things like ativan for example. Anything like that, that treats ADD or ADHD even though for the most part, I usually think those conditions are not as real as people think. I’m sure if those problems actually truly exist, but at the same time, I also think they’re heavily abused and most people who are diagnosed with ADD and ADHD are not actually real, do not actually have those issues to begin with. And it’s often the case it’s because the definition of ADD or ADHD is often as you know, observe behavior from some of the specific 16 types. INTJs could be no different in some cases, especially if they’re very impulsive. ESFPs are often targeted unfairly, and are drugged in schools and education system to help them their attention span as if they’re lacking in attention span. But the reality situation is ESFPs generally just lack attention span, and are actually trying to get the attention of other people and the academic and you know, the academic area you know, academia is stacked against them, et cetera. Well, when it comes to an INTJ, using mind altering substances, it can manifest in a level in various different ways. So for example, assuming that there’s no caffeine in the system, that there’s no psychotropic drugs for treating ADD or ADHD or anything else for that matter, or maybe antidepressants, et cetera, those count as well. A stimulant will put somebody in their subconscious side of their mind and in which case a stimulant for an INTJ would put them in their ESFP subconscious and a depressant would actually put someone in their unconscious and bring them closer to their ENTP, shadow or unconscious for the INTJ. Now, this question says, is it possible that an INTJ behaves like an ESFP when they’re drunk? Quite frankly, the answer to that question is not really. If they’re just drunk, and there’s no other mind altering substances present, because if you actually mix caffeine, with alcohol, they can actually go back and forth between their ESFP subconscious and their ENTP shadow consistently depending on how much caffeine or how much alcohol is in their system. We don’t know how exactly and we don’t have the ability to conduct the studies quite yet. But as we are gathering resources here for the CSJ community, we will be conducting our own studies in the future to try to verify some of these theories, et cetera. But the point is, it’s known that stimulants put people in their subconscious and depressants put them in their unconscious. So, when an INTJ is drunk, they actually behave more like an ENTP and that’s why their jokes are not so concrete. They’re more of “what if” they’re very abstract, they can also get very satirical, very, very satirical, almost coming to a point almost coming from a point of philosophically satirical and very roguish, even more rebellious than they were as a regular INTJ. And they become very very rebellious with their ENTP shadow, very satirical, right. And they also go out of the way to be as desirable as possible and they can even come off as really, really caring. Whereas before, they weren’t really coming off as caring, all of a sudden they start caring about your feelings, and you’re like, well wait a minute, he doesn’t usually care about my feelings, why? I really liked them better that way, you know what I’m saying? Which is really not a good way to treat an INTJ. I don’t recommend that because when they’re not that just as setting up for like a relationship with an INTJ where you want them to be drunk all the time for you guys to have a good relationship because you might be a type that’s more compatible with the ENTP side of their mind, Instead of their INTJ main ego, which is what they’re in the majority of the time. I don’t recommend that. So, based on that it’s really important, you know, to understand that they’re basically mostly ENTP. And they may have a little bit more self discipline, actions they take are just to make themselves look more desirable to other people. They seem a little bit more certain than their desirability. They can also get a lot more bold in their ENTP if they believe themselves to be really super desirable. They may go start asking out the opposite sex, for dates, et cetera, while drunk and but also they can get really really uncomfortable if they do not believe that they’re desirable in that moment and go the opposite direction as well and go super mega behind the scenes and be really, really uncomfortable when typically they’d be super comfortable in that social situation. Now, if you give them a stimulant, however that puts the more in their ESFP subconscious and then all of a sudden they’re gonna break out dance moves that you never knew that they had. Right? So, there’s a lot of differences there and of course that could be drunk in that moment. But they’re also if they’re really high on caffeine, you can maybe have a mixture of this satirical dance artists on your hand it’s like, “Wow where did this even come from?” This is like a really interesting experience, you know. So, mind altering substances can definitely easily unlock the other sides of the mind, but it can actually usually end up being a negative experience in the end because it’s the quick way just as Gene Wilder said, playing “Willy Wonka” in “Willy Wonka and Chocolate Factory”, “Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker.” So based on that, it’s the quick way. And with it being the quick way, it’s more of a chaotic transition instead of an orderly transition, which ends up leading the INTJ more likely to commit unhealthy behaviors instead of healthy ones. But then again, that’s the same with everybody as we know it. So yeah, is it possible that an INTJ behaves like an ESFP when they’re drunk? Not really, they typically present as an ENTP when they are drunk, but if you start adding in stimulants, they could probably get more get closer to it the ESFP side of their mind, or they’re primarily stimulated with a little bit alcohol, then they’re probably more in their ESFP side. It’s just that when an INTJ is stimulated, they become hilarious. They’re just absolutely like they become this huge showman and a fantastic performer. And they could still have some of that hilarity and some that jokes but they get super satirical and could even give into a lot of paranoid delusions. Also that’s when it gets really negative when they are drunk their paranoia can be really heightened. And oftentimes, I’ve seen many INTJs accuse other lovers of cheating on them when they’re being drunk for example. Even though the lovers would never do that, and they’re like some of those loyal people you would ever meet. So, just a lot of different ways that drunkenness can manifest with an INTJ. And it’s no different than any other type. Everyone can also, you know, over time manifest a lot of different behaviors on mind altering substances. But again, typically when it comes to cognitive transition, or using mind altering substances, typically, probably most of the time manifests in negative or unhealthy behaviors as a result. So anyway, if you’d like a chance that your question being answered on this channel, please post it on Quora and tag me or leave it as a comment below. If you want a guaranteed answer for your question, become a silver member at csjoseph.ly/members, and post your question on our private Q&A discord channel, which you can find at csjoseph.life/social. And I’ll answer all your questions on a private live stream each month and the next one is this Thursday. Which it’ll be very fun livestream, probably going to two hours and have tons of questions all ready to go. And also guys, please make sure to like and subscribe the channel and support the channel, that’d be awesome, we’d really appreciate that. Anyway, thanks for watching and all that being said, I’ll see you guys tonight.