Season 15, Episode 10 Transcript
00:01 Hey guys, it’s CS Joseph with CS Joseph dot life doing another episode of season 15. A bonus episode, it is episode 10. And I get that bonus episodes are kind of surprising, but it was absolutely necessary to do so due to and somewhat very humbling experience that I had recently when typing one of my friends and I miss typed them. Oh, yes, that’s correct, I made a mistake and is humbling as it is for me to admit in public in this manner that I made a mistake.
It is important to you and to me, and it’s important to me to show you how exactly I made that mistake so that you don’t make that same mistake yourself, you understand how I made that mistake, and how people end up making mistakes when it comes to utilizing the Type grid, as well as the temperament matrix type grid, you know, according to Linda Behrens, and the temperament matrix, according to Stephen Montgomery, etc, and how people can make mistakes, right. So this is a lecture on failure, you know, failure to use the Type grid correctly failure to use the temperament matrix correctly. And it is important to do so because it is my desire that is audience understands exactly how to utilize these tools so that y’all can get informed and be educated and be accurate and typing people so you’re not miss typing anyone. Now, with that in mind, I just got the final proof of for review, I just reviewed the final proof of for the Type grid and the temperament matrix, it’s been completely upgraded includes all the new material that we’ve been discussing here in season 15.
And it will be going live very soon on my website, in order for anyone to get those materials and utilize those tools to help you type yourself and others. That’s kind of what we’re doing this. And season 15 is all about how to use the 10th grade, et cetera. But for the sake of this episode is important that I share with you a story and how I ended up making mistake and why I made a mistake and how you can prevent yourself from making a same mistake.
And yeah, we’re also going to be talking a little bit about how that affects myself how affects others. Where were my mentors fit into this because we they had similar experiences when utilizing that tight grid years back. And it is important that we understand these caveats because there is a few caveats here and there when you’re utilizing the Type grid and a temperament matrix. And once you’re aware of these caveats, you know how to avoid them.
They’re like little landmines like, Oh, crap, there goes my leg. Yeah, well, I like it to you know, keep my leg and I like my audience to keep their limbs as well. So, based on that, we’re going to be doing a dive in to, you know, the title of this particular episode, season 15, Episode 10, which is how to prevent Miss typing. So with using the Type grid and the temperament matrix, but before I begin, don’t forget, this round of the giveaway, we’re giving away this book, people patterns by Stephen Montgomery, PhD, this is the book where we derive as our source material for the temperament matrix.
This is an excellent read, I do not completely agree with everything he says because he’s very pro David Keirsey, which kind of sucks, but I mean, I get it, it is what it is. He also has some interesting points about temperament compatibility, according to relationships, professions. I don’t agree with all of it, I agree with some of it, but that doesn’t matter, it’s still a very good read, definitely something I recommend. And if you’d like to win this book, or an electronic copy, if for some reason, I’m not able to ship you a physical copy book, because you might be in Sri Lanka, or something.
If that’s the case, we’ll work with you anyway to be to be entered to win this. All you have to do is be a subscribe to the channel, leave a comment here on this lecture, as well as like the lecture and people someone will be chosen randomly and will be announced on the next whiteboard lecture that I do. Okay, so the following whiteboard lecture, you see the name will be written on the whiteboard as to who the winner is. So be aware of that if you want to read if you want to win a copy of people patterns by Stephen Montgomery, PhD, definitely get into that.
That’s gonna be awesome. Also, one more thing before I actually dive into this lecture, I’m about to be posting my reading list on to my website, it will be available very soon we are working on it and I’m very happy to be sharing it with you not only that, also be sharing with exact with you exactly what I’m reading every single day. So that you know, oh, this is what Chase is reading. And then if you want to read it with me, you can read it with me.
So awesome. Great. That being said, Live Stream tomorrow as well, Elon Musk. I mean, who wouldn’t want to do that? And maybe like Joe Rogan, too, but whatever.
So anyway, that being said, season 10 episode or season 15 Episode 10 A bonus episode how to prevent Miss typing. Here we go. So let’s talk about the situation. So we have on the board here, the four sides of the mind.
So this is my Four times why it’s important that I have, you know, myself as the NTP, NTP, ego, ISFJ, subconscious, INTJ, shadow, and ESFP super ego. This is literally my mind on paper, this is the four sides of the mind. Okay, so let me find my awesome pens here. For some reason I was wrong on pocket, that’s okay.
So we have the ego. And then we have the shadow, also known as the unconscious. And then we have the subconscious, also known as the Anima. And animus helps if I can spell correctly.
This can be a little whiteboard heavy in this particular lecture. So just just kind of follow along as much as much as I can when marking up the board like a crazy madman as we do this. But anyway, so here’s my mind on paper. So and then over here, we have a moderator of the CSJ discord, which is Logan.
Logan joined our moderator team recently on the CSJ discord, and it’s been pretty great. She’s done a great job, a lot of input, very helpful with getting our rules established and whatnot, and just kind of having to deal with the day to day, you know, hashtag internet trolls of the CSJ discord. And as a result, we’re very happy to have her on the team. And she’s made some insanely good contributions.
The issue was that we were having with her is that we weren’t really sure what type she was now, typically, you know, someone suggested, oh, you know, yeah, I’m an INTJ. And, you know, that’s the, that’s the initial thought. And a lot of people, you know, saw her as an INTJ. And to be honest, I actually saw myself being an INTJ.
Because when I first took the test, and I first got involved into union, analytical psychology, depth, psychology, typology, et cetera. I was also initially typed as an INTJ. Because of the first few tests that I took, I scored INTJ on the test. So I thought for many years that I was actually an INTJ.
That was until I met my first mentor, who crushed that and revealed that that may not necessarily actually be the case. So I ended up after verify, through my mentors that I am actually an intp. Right. And it’s because of knowing the four sides of the mind, knowing the interaction styles, knowing the temperament styles, knowing the Type grid, knowing the temperament matrix, I’ve been able to realize that yes, I’m definitely an intp.
Right. So anyway, let’s talk about how or why this is relevant. It’s relevant, because when I was first taught by my mentors, RD, Bryant, and RP, Morial, for example, both of those gentlemen, who are fantastic individuals, and I’m very happy to have studied under them, very grateful and very blessed to do so. You know, the first one being an ESTP, the second one being an INFJ absolutely fantastic, you know, to really have that relationship with them and be taught by them.
Anyway, the point is, is that in one of their lessons that I learned, and both of them and like a separate lesson from either they explained this, you know, they explained that they came to some issues, they had some problems with potentially miss typing people at certain times. And I will already Brian, actually, Mr. Bryant, set up with me, you know, the specific way to, you know, figure out the cognitive functions and, and just in, you know, interaction styles, you just started the whole Linda Behrens approach of being at the very beginning. But you know, when he gave me like my first type grade that I stuck on a wall and what read it or studied it for, like, literally two years on the same wall, while being homeless at the time, which is kind of interesting.
But the point was, I was studying under him at the time. But it wasn’t until I met Mr. Morial that I ended up actually getting a bigger, firmer grasp on Miss typing, because as Mr. Morial had explained to me, at the time, is that every now and then you’re not able to type somebody correctly.
And you just don’t know why. Now, the MBTI actually has this issue, too, if you give someone a test, and there’s just no way, you have no idea what type there is, there’s actually a particular type that you can assume they are just by default, and they just auto score them that type. And that’s actually been taught in a few MBTI classes that’s been taught by a few people administering the test. It’s just that if you just can’t figure out which type they are, chances are by default, they’re X type basically.
And you know, then they give you like, what type that is, et cetera. So something similar actually kind of came about as a result of using the type grade and as Mr. Morial put it to me, you know, there’s a reason why. And he called it the mirror factor.
Now this is different from the the mere fact that INFJs have when inf j’s are in front of, you know, a bunch of people, and then because of that, there’s like a bunch of I mean, wow, I mean, lots of stuff. In the background, right? 10:03 When INFJ is around people, they could take on those people’s traits, the social behavior, and then there’s a there’s a potential for them to be uplifted, there’s also potential for them to be corrected by those people. And that can be an issue. No, that’s not what we’re talking about the mirror.
The mirror factor is a little bit different. It specifically has to do with typology. Right? So why is this relevant? Well, because when you’re trying to type somebody, there’s a risk. It’s a caveat, you have to understand that this could be a problem.
So before actually explain what the mirror effect, or the mirror factor does, and how it affects you using the Type grid, let’s actually talk about how I first actually miss type Logan, because I’m literally admitting that right now, I miss type Logan, and it was like that, and sorry, but it happens, right. And I’m going to say why it happened and walk you all through the process as to why it happened. So you can avoid make the same mistake I did. So you can make sure that you’re accurate.
Moving forward, right. So that’s kind of the approach we’re gonna be taking here. So let’s walk out, let’s walk, let’s like walk through the process of what I did to Tiger initially, and how I failed, and then was walk through the process of how it actually worked out in the end, and how we’re able to get to an accurate typing of her. So our awesome moderator, Logan, and I love all of our moderators.
But I mean, this lecture is about her anyway. So let’s do it. So I was like, okay, yeah, we’re gonna we’re definitely gonna be typing a logon here. So that’s what I did.
Initially. It’s like, okay, well, what type of shape after a while in analyzing, you know, various text chats from her because we mostly interact and text on the discord server. I mean, who does it and then also on? And then also on, on voice chat, but not as much as text chat. I came to realize, okay, yeah, she definitely, definitely is movement.
So I was like, okay, yeah, she’s movement. Awesome. And then I saw her and it’s like, okay, yeah, she seems direct. Definitely, responding.
seemed really responding. So I was like, Okay, awesome. That means she’s a finisher, right? Definitely, definitely in the finisher. So it’s like, okay, she’s a finisher.
And that kind of fits the narrative of her being an INTJ. Right. She joined the discord server, she chose INTJ. INTJ is what the tests have told her, et cetera.
And predominantly, the majority of the people on our Discord community actually believe that she is an INTJ. Right. But something was wrong. Something was not making any sense.
And after having a lot of interaction with her one, one on one, her and I would have many chats, one on one with each other through direct messaging and discord, etc. And on a regular basis, especially since she’s a moderator, we’re talking about moderator things, etc. Within the discord server in the operations there of we’re just kind of aware of these risks. Well, while these interactions and one of these reactions and interactions that we had was, I noticed that there’s no way she’s fit yes or no way.
Absolutely not. She was actually T. I, Fe user. She’s always talking about how other people feel.
She’s always correcting people at times, always very truth oriented, not about beliefs per se, which definitely flew in the face of her being an INTJ. Because an INTJ is actually a te f i user, that’s what an INTJ is. So there’s no way that she could be an INTJ. Absolutely no way she could.
I knew for a fact she was a TI user, ti Fe user. I knew she was pragmatic. Which was important. And because of her being pragmatic, okay, yeah, great.
And I knew and the thing is, though, I wasn’t sure if she was abstract or concrete. I wasn’t sure if she was affiliative or systematic, right? Very difficult, but I knew for a fact she was definitely a TI Fe user. I knew she was pragmatic, and movement, direct and responding. I believe that was those things resonates with hands down, absolutely confirmed movement, for sure.
At a minimum, so direct responding movement. Okay. Here’s the kicker. If you’re direct responding movement, and you’re a TI Fe user, that basically means you can only be an ISTP or an INFJ.
So just going through the Type grid. If you’re looking for a TI Fe user, and the direct responding movement, aka finisher interaction style, the only ti Fe users available are ISTP or INFJ. Now, I knew that she was pragmatic so that automatically It automatically eliminates INFJ. So by process of elimination, I maintained for about the period of, I don’t know, 10 days that she was actually an ISTP.
I don’t even refer to her as such during our mod meetings, right? I’m so sorry. But the point is, that’s how I came to my conclusion. She’s very direct in her speech, oftentimes. And she’s definitely very movement, I would see that she would join the chat, she wouldn’t really talk unless spoken to, et cetera.
And it kind of gave the air of responding. And yeah, made sure made a lot of sense to me is very finisher related. It just seemed every time that her and I would interact directly one on one, because I often do like one on ones when I’m typing, people don’t really pay as much attention to the other stuff, even though I should write. Like, especially in group group actions, etc.
I’ve noticed that okay, yeah. Well, we’re one on one talking until they’re absolutely direct responding movement, chart, the course finisher type interaction style. And I know for a fact she is a TI Fe user. I saw multiple chats, constantly correcting people, we looked at different sentences that she had made.
And for sure, definitely ti Fe user. Even jab who’s a admin on the discord server also maintains that Logan was a TI Fe user and not a te FYI user at all. And of course, jab would know because he’s an fit user, and he has natural compatibility with people who are ti fe, like myself, for example. So yeah, so for the longest time, definitely believed ISTP.
And where is my eraser? Awesome. 16:44 So for a while, it’s like, okay, great. You’re an ISTP. Except Except, didn’t feel right.
It did not feel right. Now enter in the next one. 17:02 Here we have jab, right jab, the INTJ, jab, the INTJ is like there’s no way in hell, Logan is an ISTP. There’s just no way that’s going to work.
Why? Why is that? Why is like G J’s, I think you’re wrong on this one. And he maintained that consistently, constantly trying to verify and re verify. And I kept on going back to, you know, all these interactions that I had with Logan one on one. And that’s why I maintain she’s an ISTP, right? No, very wrong, actually.
So, jab has a different relationship with her because obviously, he is a different type, right. And then because he’s an INTJ, and not an EMTP, he’s able to see different things, they’re able to interact, you know, those two people are able to interact with each other differently than then she would interact with me, it wouldn’t be the same, right? Because she’s responding and initiating to his type, which is different than mine. And he’s responding and initiating, from from her type, and which will be different from me doing the same thing in that direction, you know, for sending and receiving. So, you know, I’m initiating the typing process.
And her and I have this, this back and forth interaction. And however, jab and her have a completely different interaction, because it’s INTJ and X type, or it’s ESTP and X type. And it’s going back and forth, and going back and forth, in different ways, right, the interactions are completely different. So there’s actually different data.
So you know, what Jack did is like, he brought his investigation cat cap, because he’s like, there is no way that she can be an ISTP. There’s just no way he completely disagree with me, he didn’t see it. So he kept on trying to figure out what other ways it was going. And then we noticed something, something different happened.
As a result of his interaction with her, we noticed something, we noticed that when she was around him, she was more informative, actually. And when she was more around him instead of me, she was actually more initiating. Right? She was still movement, though. But she seemed way more informative.
He would actually get in voice chat and talk about it because we were actually arguing about this for over a week now. And it’s I hairy ears. She said, XYZ and she said this, and she said that, and that’s a formative. That’s a foreigner like yes, that’s informative.
That’s important. And he’s like, Well, if she’s nice TV, how could she be informative? Well, she can’t because guess what, if you’re an ISTP, your ego, your subconscious, and your shadow, guess what are all three of those are direct, and it’s called triple direct and you’re not really in your CPA or you go very often it’s extremely rare. So the fact that you’re even remotely being informative when you’re a triple direct ISTP. That’s not going to make any sense.
So just on that alone, I’m like, crap, there’s no way she can be an ISTP there’s absolutely no way. There’s no way she’s being informative. Consistently. We’re seeing consistent form, but for some reason, when I’m talking to her, she’s direct.
Why? Why is it why is the interaction style changing based on the audience? And then I’m like, Oh, I know. It’s what it is. Okay, so back to Mr. RP.
Morial My, my, my mentor. So years ago, he talked to me about, you know, the mirror effect, right or the mirror factor in how the mirror factor when you’re typing somebody, you can actually get very confused. Because as he put this is a rules is very important. It’s very integral to this lecture right here.
This is like this the big idea. So, when you’re using the Type grid, the type somebody, right, and you’re using the temperament matrix to identify the temperament, you’re trying their interaction styles, and you find out what type they are, there is a problem. It’s very difficult for somebody to type somebody who is also their same type. It’s very hard, it’s like you’re looking into a mirror.
And because you’re looking for differences, you’re not as much as you’re you’re predisposed to not looking for similarities as much as you are looking for differences, etc. because our brains, our minds are already pre programmed to that effect. Why is that? That’s because when human beings are judging each other, because guess what, when you’re typing somebody, you’re actually judging them. That’s a fact.
Right? You’re judging, you’re literally judging people when you’re typing them. Here’s the thing, it’s natural for people to try to judge people. They’re trying to find people who are like, they’re, like their subconscious, or like their, like their shadow, etc. Because they want to live vicariously through other people with their subconscious.
They want people who are super highly compatible with them, which is their shadow or types like their shadow, etc. They’re going for compatibility, even going for types that are similar to their super ego, because again, compatibility, and people just naturally gravitate towards the people. So their minds are already predisposed to interact, kind of assuming that everyone else was like these other people, or assuming that other you know, are judging people by the standard of their own thing. So when typing Logan, I’m at risk of like, oh, this is a potential blind spot, right? And then also on Oh, crap, I’ve just missed type two, right? I thought she was an ISTP.
She can’t be she’s actually a formative. why? It’s because the mere factor. Now, think about it this way. We’ve already talked about in social compatibility, right, how social compatibility you can change some things.
So what happens? What happens? What was the lowest compatibility with me? Well, the lowest compatibility with me? Yes, another NTP. So NTP plus NTP. So, you know, and you know, and I’m a male, I’m a female, right? And I’m exhibiting yang energy, and it’s one on one interaction. So that means she would be exhibiting yin and yang energy, and it’s one on one interaction, okay, Yen is the more pliable Yang is the more you know, structured more forest more? Not, it’s not.
It’s kind of Gosh, immobile. It’s like the immovable object, right. It’s just, it’s very firm, it’s very firm in its existence, whereas the Yen is more pliable. It’s like water, it adapts to the moment, right.
So, you know, especially in a male and female one on one private interaction between two NTPs. Literally what is happening here, what happens is, is that if I’m in the Yang mode, and she could be Yang, and I could begin in the conversation, too, I’m not saying just because of our gender, that’s how it is. That’s not what I’m saying. I’m just putting in there just for distinction, okay, anyone can take on the Yang role in the conversation or the enroll in the conversation, because if you’re two of the same type interacting with each other, you’re going to bother each other.
So there has to be some kind of way to have harmony in the conversation, right? How does our minds auto do this? How does our mind manage these situations? We come into contact with another type, okay. And then okay, well, then then our mind decides, Okay, am I going to be in the Yin role? Or am I going to be in the Yang role with this interaction? Am I going to be the dominant one versus the submissive one, basically, so look at Yang as dominant? And yes, submissive, okay. And the conversation. So I went talking to when talking to Logan, and thinking that she was an INTJ.
Were thinking that she was an ISTP, I automatically default chose the dominant role from my side. You know, I was I was pretty young, and I wasn’t gonna let go of being in my ego. I wasn’t willing to let go of my ego, right. So because of that, she ended up in the Yin form.
So she became the pliable one. And guess what, in order to get through an interaction with me, she had to change her type. How, through a cognitive transition. She literally transitioned from NTP all the way down to an INTJ so she went into her INTJ sigh out of her mind.
Okay, so she she went from here, down here, 25:07 from her ego to her shadow, just to have a conversation with me right. So what this did was a caused me to get the movement direct and responding, interaction style, the finisher interaction style because when you put two en teepees in a room, one of them is going in there either bother the crap at each other and then really harm everything everyone else around them. And because she cares what the discord server, she cares about my relationship with jab, she cares about her relationship with me, she, she definitely is there to be involved, knows what she should do, et cetera, wants to make people feel good, give them what they want. So from her point of view, I need to adapt to chase right now.
And I don’t want to have there be I know that there’s a risk of conflict. Our minds just are naturally aware subconsciously, of the risk of conflict with another person of the same type. So what do you do, okay, I’m gonna go in mode, and then I’m going to change my type with a cognitive transition, right? literally going to change my type, where I will become the INTJ, which because I’ve become the INTJ and move through my ego to my shadow. That means my interaction style changes, right, which means her interaction style went from starter to finish her just to have that interaction with me, because she didn’t want to create conflict, it was all about harmony, Harmony was the objective at that particular moment, right.
As a result, when we are interacting with each other, it was really ESTP plus INTJ. And that introverted interaction introvert interaction means one on one or by yourself, a singular human being by themselves or a one on one interaction is an introvert interaction when you add a third person becomes an extroverted interaction. So her one on one interactions with me and my Introverted Sensing with NTP because I’m all about Introverted Sensing, for example, it’s an SI user. All of my personal information, all of my experience with her in a one on one situation was her being INTJ.
Right. Here’s another caveat. it possible that she was actually stuck in her shadow because of trauma in her life, trauma in her life, where she would just default being in her shadow at all times. Logan could have had trauma in her life that just like I did, that put her mostly in her shadow and the majority of the day, and it wasn’t until she was around other people that she was brought out of her shadow and into her ego.
And then she could literally be herself for once. Instead of having to wear a mask like en teepees do if you don’t know what I’m talking about. You need to watch the virtue and vice lecture about en TPS about our virtue being sincerity and our Vice being insincerity, where we wear masks for every single human being would come into contact with and also like all of our interactions, right? Every human being we interact with, we have a specific mask for them. Right? So her mask is literally her doing a cognitive transition into INTJ.
Okay, and she became an INTJ. For all of her interactions with me. This is why I concluded that she was direct responding movement, because every time we would converse, I was the informative one, she had to be the direct one, right? That’s kind of how it works. When you’re in that situation.
This is why I’m like she I know for a fact she’s a TI Fe user, we’re analyzing her over chat logs. Yes, she is a TI Fe user. But she’s got that with me personally. And what I’ve experienced Introverted Sensing what I have experienced with my Introverted Sensing as an intp interacting with her, it has always been direct responding movement, aka she is a finisher, but if she is Ti fe, she can only be an INFJ or an ISTP.
But guess what? She’s pragmatic. So she can’t be an INFJ. So by process elimination, she has to be an ISTP. Except it’s not her ego.
It’s not her ego that I’m typing. That’s the problem. So what do you do? Ah, this is what you do. Enter jab, jab, the INTJ his interactions.
And he’s interacting with both of us. Which is awesome. So jab to me and jab to Logan, right? And it’s like, oh, there is no way. She’s an ISTP.
Here’s what I see. Right? And he provides chat logs, photos of screenshots, specific information, proving to me that yeah, I get that you’re seeing a direct responding movement, but when she’s interacting with me, it’s not direct responding movement. It’s actually the other way around and looking at those chat logs. We found out Yes, she’s informative.
And she is initiating. And he she’s still movement, right. And then we knew she was a TI plus Fe user, and then Jad provide additional evidence that show that she was abstract. In his interactions with her, right? Yes, definitely.
I would, I would admit that yes, she’s definitely abstract. And I, I was not willing to see the abstract components of her conversation, because the way I looked at it was all of that interaction. So I was getting, it’s a finisher. And she we know, she’s not affiliative.
She is pragmatic. So she could only be an ISTP. Right? Stuck in my ways, right? That could be an issue. Well, here’s the information that jab got as well, he still agreed with me ti Fe user, he still agree with me movement.
And definitely, and he maintained, abstract initiating and informative. He provided chat logs and evidence. And I looked at his challenge and evidence and say, absolutely right, she is 100%. informative.
What’s the problem? Here it is, this is the whole point right here of the lecture at 31 minutes. Here’s the point. The point is, is that when you’re typing somebody and you’re typing somebody of the same type, as yourself, right, one of you chances are is going to cognitive Tran transition into a different side of your mind just for the interaction. Typically, people don’t transition into their subconscious, because their subconscious is still pretty low compatibility.
So there’s still a very high chance. From a social compatibility standpoint, if you haven’t seen my lecture on psyc lecture series on social compatibility, I think it’s season 12. Check that out. Seriously, watch the lecture series on social compatibility.
If it’s not season, 12 just look up social compatibility here on the YouTube channel, you’ll find what you’re looking for. From a social compatibility standpoint, you know, being with somebody the same time is is the lowest compatibility you have from social credibility. But being with their subconscious as well is also super mega low, it’s bottom four. So there’s a chance for conflict there.
So in order for a human being to let go the conflict before competition sets in, before it gets super mega competitive from a social compatibility standpoint, what they do is one of the people in the conversation, one of the people in the interaction, they do a cognitive transition into their shadow, which because they’ve moved into a different side of their mind, it changes the interaction style. So Logan, for example, we found out she was an ESTP ego, which means her shadow as an INTJ, just like mine, ESFP, super ego, and then ISFJ. Subconscious, and now she’s the intp with me, but then she had to become an INTJ. Because this interaction wasn’t going to work, we were naturally lacking in compatibility, okay.
And because and she couldn’t shift iossef J’s, because that’s still lacking in compatibility. But INTJ is super compatible with an intp. And she went begin mode while I was hang mode. And then she was the INTJ.
And because the INTJ, I was getting the finisher. interaction style, okay. But with jab and interacting with her, she could actually be in her ego. Because guess what, they’re super high compatibility.
So they’re able to be in, they’re each other’s egos when interacting with each other, and she can actually be who she is. But when she’s talking to me one on one, she can’t really be who she is, because of the risk of conflict. And our brains, our minds are already pre programmed to handle this. That’s why we do cognitive transitions.
Okay, here’s the thing, what happens when your mind is in, in your in your family, and you’re not compatible with the rest of your family? You cognitive transition. And that’s typically why people get for the most part, the majority of the time why people get stuck in their shadow, because their mind is like i My ego is not compatible with the rest of the members of my family, I need to be in my shadow because it’s a safer place to be in my shadow. But then my growth is stunted because I’m super immature in that way. Like, for example, 34:07 my girlfriend, she’s an ENFJ.
her stepdad is an ENFJ. You think it’s really safe in her family for her to like, be an ENFJ in that family? No, as a result of that, she ended up stuck in her INFP shadow for many, many years. Because there wasn’t enough room in that family with a a male dominant father figure, this is my ego, this is who I am, you’re just gonna have to deal with it. You’re just gonna have to cognitive transition for me, you’re gonna have to transition to something else, right? That’s literally what happens.
And guess what, when you’re typing other people, and you are super low compatibility with them, there’s a chance they’re going to transition into another type, which would, because they’re in a different side of their mind. They’re a different type in that moment, and their interaction style changes temporarily, and you’re trying to type them and judge them and get all that information for making that decision. And because you’ve typed them as such, using the interaction style that they’re giving you at that moment in time, you could be wrong, you could miss type them. So how do you solve that problem? The answer is peer review.
Yeah. Mr. Peer review the INTJ. providing evidence.
It’s like, you know, I know the type grid to I know the temperament matrix to I disagree with you, though. And it looks at my information. He’s like, yes, you’re right. I agree with you.
But then he looks at and then I look at his information is like, Yes, I agree with you, too. But one of us was wrong. Pure view, it’s important. If you don’t really know there’s a chance you might encounter someone of the same type.
And then you’ll have this problem, and then you transition or they transition. So there’s two ways of doing this. Two ways. The first strategy is to bring in a third party who knows the Type grid and the temperament matrix to help you and give you a second opinion on typing someone properly.
That’s the first way because then you’re at least verifying, you’re getting additional different point of view to make sure that you’re getting the information. Or the second way of doing it is you perform a cognitive transition yourself. And you will yourself to be through your subconscious or your shadow, etc, in an interaction with somebody just to see how they would react to that, and to see if they’re able to stay in their ego, right. And you know, they’re in their ego, because they’re spending much more time in their ego because their ego is primary.
The whole object of the game is to find out which of the four sides of the mind are which type, which interaction style, which temperament, Logan is more than anything else. And looking at all the evidence from, from the evidence that Jack has and then paying attention to her after give being given that evidence to how Logan behaves in our moderator meetings, for example, on the CSJ discord, and being able to keep track of all that information and how she acts in the crowd. Guess what? She would join into the moderator chat. She wouldn’t say anything.
She would not say anything unless spoken to she was very responding. Why was that is because she was in her subconscious. Her ISFJ is a responding one because it is introverted. Just like the INTJ is right.
So my it was like Oh, for me, oh, that’s just more evidence that she’s responding. Not necessarily true, because the intp type itself is the most introverted of all of the types why is that because it has si inferior in a social interaction. The intp will not initiate with anyone and actually be very behind the scenes in their ISFJ subconscious because they are not comfortable in the social situation. You have to make an ESTP comfortable make their si comfortable Introverted Sensing so that they can come out of their behind the scenes ISFJ shell and be like the life of the party be an extrovert, right.
That’s how it works. This is why ENT J’s exist because ENT j’s are able to find that NTP who’s uncomfortable in that social situation, make them comfortable and gauge the NTP. So then the NTP knows Oh, this is what you want, oh, you value this. Now I know how to behave, oh, I now know which masks to wear.
Or maybe I don’t need to wear a mask at all. And then they start engaging and they’re they’re performing and they are a part of the social interaction at last otherwise, they will stay in there behind the scenes ISFJ shadow or subconscious and they will not speak unless spoken to and they will come off super responding. You have to be aware of these little caveats, right? Yes, I’m sure you’re watching this and like oh, but see this Joseph, this is super mega confusing. Okay, again, all you have to do if you’re absolutely not sure.
Think to yourself, okay. Is it possible that the same type I am, because according to Rp, Morial the the mere factor is you know, it’s very enigmatic. When you’re faced with typing some of your own type, it can lead to you miss typing them. Some of the most damning he himself would admit, and my other mentor met, both of them will admit, it’s always the hardest to type your own type, as well as the hardest to type your own subconscious.
Those two types to type, someone else was the same ego as you were to type someone else whose ego is your subconscious, your subconscious, it is the absolute hardest to type them. Because there’s a lot of preconceived notions about how things work with your own type, and how you judge yourself, etc. And that may not necessarily match with those other people. Because while there’s still different people, what you apply the standards for yourself doesn’t necessarily mean applies to them.
So because it’s actually a higher difficulty level for you to type somebody else who has the same ego as you or their ego is your subconscious, right? So this can lead to miss typing. So how do you deal with that? When you realize that that’s possible, okay. And it’s like, Well, if that’s what’s going to happen, I need to do cognitive transition into my shadow or my subconscious to see how they react to that, right. So remember, we talked about trust, but verify, trust what you’re doing, but verify it just in case or trust what other people say and verify what they say, always verify.
So if you perform a cognitive transition yourself, and you’re going into your subconscious or your shadow to interact with this person just to see just to make for absolute sure that you’re right about their ego, you will reduce the chances of you miss typing somebody, if it’s not already obvious to you what it is through interaction styles, or temperament styles through the type grade or the temperament matrix, you have to be aware of these things. Okay. So that is one way to look at it. The other thing is peer review, find somebody else, a friend or family member that knows the type, right and the temperament matrix and get their input and compare notes.
Because chances are, they might be seeing something that you’re missing. And if that person is is the same type as you, well, you’re kind of at a disadvantage and accurately typing them, right. So because of that disadvantage, bringing in a third party like I did with jab, for example, we’re able to actually get to the bottom of it. So, Logan, so if we’re treating you like an ISTP, for the last 10 days or so, I apologize.
But we’ve come to the conclusion that yes, you are an intp. And so the audience knows I’m not, you know, pulling it out of my butt. Logan just recently watched the ESTPs. How do ESTPs compared to en teepees lecture? And she said yes, that is definitely me.
I am an ESTP. I stand corrected. Finally, it’s awesome to know I am not an INTJ. I’m not an ISTP.
I am an intp. Great. Now I could like figure it all out, and then move forward with my life. And great.
That’s what we do here at CS Joseph dot life helping people with their lives. Right. That’s, that’s why we do this. So anyway.
Wow, that’s, that’s a lot. The bottom line is like everyone else, I’m not perfect. I’m prone to mistakes. I can miss type people, too.
It happens. Why did I miss type, it’s because she’s the intp, just like I am. And when we’re having and when the majority of the information is literally a one on one interaction with me. Well, guess what she’s going to transition into her INTJ.
And I’m going to be typing her based on her shadow, instead of typing her on her ego, that’s a risk. To prevent that from happening, I need to transition myself to just verify, I need to bring in a third party for peer review, or I need to observe her. I didn’t mention this previously. But the third thing is, I need to observe her in a crowd and extroverted situation and see how she behaves there.
And then take all of that data holistically. And then make my decision instead of just jumping to a conclusion, right? Because that’s exactly what I did. I jumped the wrong conclusion. Because process elimination dictated ISTP we already went through that I thought she was direct responding movement was she was but that’s because her mind forced her to force her into a shadow when interacting with me because she was being more yen and I was being more Yang in our interaction, I was the dominant one in the conversation, she was the submissive one in the conversation because she didn’t want to disrespect me, right? So her mind decided, in order to maintain the goal of not disrespecting him, 43:11 I’m going to transition into my shadow for this conversation.
And then I grabbed all that data from her being in her shadow, I made the wrong decision. So and I didn’t verify and transition myself to try to test the theory didn’t work, right. And even if even if it’s antibiotic intp and I transition INTJ, that’s still pretty difficult. So bringing in a third party, or observing this particular individual in an extroverted situation and other situations to gather more information to gather more data so that you’re absolutely sure after you’ve spent enough time and make sure you are verifying and checking your work, always verify Trust, but verify.
You will be more accurate when you use the Type grid and a temperament matrix to type people is very important that you understand these things. Because let me tell you, it sucks when you miss type somebody and they’re already organized in their life around this type. And it’s wrong. Always verify.
And I’m very glad that we had this exercise and this situation come up had this little failure, etc. Because it just reminded me Oh, that’s that one thing that RP Morial taught me about the mirror factor when you’re like literally looking at yourself in the mirror with another type, and how that can actually lead to miss types. It’s important that we are aware of this right? As a result, I found it necessary to talk about that in this lecture tonight for season 15, episode 10. So that y’all know this can be a thing.
And this is how you get out of it. Those three things, okay. Transition yourself just to test, get a third party for peer review, et cetera. And then the third thing, observe them in a situation outside of just one on one just in case.
That way you have all of the information that you need in order to make a proper judgment, a proper decision, right, so that you’re not like stuck in a rut, making improper judgments and thus Miss typing people which can lead to a lot Other problems and that’s what I’m here to do is reduce your problems. This is why it’s important to do a lecture like this. So you don’t have to deal with this. So anyway, if you found this lecture useful, helpful, educational, enlightening and insightful, please subscribe to the channel here on YouTube and on the podcast.
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It’s important that I’m also transparent with you know, my failures and how I can miss type people at times. It doesn’t happen very often. But it can. And in this situation, this is how it can right.
It’s really hard, I will admit. And my mentors will also admit it’s really hard to tie it’s like super hard to type someone of your own type or your subconscious because it can lead to these ms type results. So again, always verify. Always be willing to kind of transition yourself, bring in a third party for a peer review, or observe them and to other interactions outside of just one on one and you will have all the information that you need to make the right and most accurate decision when using the type grade or the temperament matrix.
So awesome. With all that being said, I’ll see you guys tomorrow night how to type Elon Musk, I believe is our next lecture and that will be live streamed tomorrow night from the YouTube channel. I’ll be happy to see you there. So awesome.
Have a good night.