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Welcome CS Joseph Responds, I’m your host Chase, here to answer your questions on any topic Jungian analytical psychology or the Four Sides of the Mind, also known as Four Sides Dynamics. Today’s question is, “Can a person have both INFJ and ENFJ test results? And the source of today’s questions is, as usual, Quora. So let’s take a look at this question right now, here it is, on Quora. And we have Rachel Green, INFJ.info author, “How to Understand Yourself and Be Understood”. Her answer goes like this, “If someone thinks this, they are imagining “that the INFJ and ENFJ are very simply “an extroverted or introverted difference, “but this is not the case.” Awesome. “There are no cognitive functions in the same position “for INFJ and ENFJ.” Yes, she definitely knows what she’s talking about. This is an excellent answer. She goes on further to say cognitive functions for INFJ are this and she actually lists out what they are. “The stress reactions are quite different.” This is an interesting standpoint. Even though NFJs do have the same cognitive functions, they’re in a different order, that’s the point she’s trying to make. “The driver personality is quite different. “What is most likely to cause ENFJ-INFJ confusion “is that INFJs can be taken for experts “because they have extroverted feeling “at a skilled level as the auxiliary, “which means they can engage easily with people “and often get mistaken for an extrovert. “Amy, one of my other INFJ contributors in my book, says the same thing happens commonly to her and it annoys her.” Wow, very well said Rachel. “However, even though we may be mistaken for extroverts, “we aren’t. After a while INFJ gets drained and “needs to retreat recovery “the ENFJ does not have the same reaction, “is far more likely to keep partying.” Very well said Miss Green. Thank you for your awesome answer. And then we have Phil Perez connoisseur in MBTI, who says, “No they cannot. “People may mistake these because of specific stereotypes “that are similar with different personality types.” Well said. “NFJ have the same functions, just in a slightly different order.” Very well said. Wow! These answers are excellent. It’s easy to assume that people can just easily switch personalities due to a vague understanding of the functions they are supposed to be in order it’s a lot more difficult when you don’t know the person well enough to know when they enact a trait and at what moment This is especially important and the functions stack plays an important role. The dominant function will come out naturally. The more you notice this, the easier it will be to figure what type the person is. If you cannot and you believe there is a balance “of the dominant and auxiliary functions “then it’s critical you assess at what moments they happen.” Well said. “Whatever function that comes out first in this moment “whether it’s Ni or Fe, will surely tell you their type.” I slightly disagree with Mr Perez here while he is saying the truth the problem is that sometimes peoples auxiliary functions also known as the parent function can under developed. And when it is underdeveloped it’s usually the child function that ends up coming up next. Dave superpowers on, YouTube calls this the jumper effect. I call this underdeveloped parent function but it’s still basically the same concept. So please look into that it’s just underdeveloped parent functions. If you wanna learn more about that check out season 19 or season 22 playlists on my YouTube channel. My other YouTube channel, not this one. “So, an INFJ will have a more secretive temperament “due to the fact that they prefer “to conceal their thoughts and ideas “until they’ve realized it’s a good opportunity “to reveal them as they don’t want to be “unsure of themselves ever.” Well said. This guy has a handle on things. ENFJ will have a more bubbly personality, very welcoming and collective believe such as making a lot of friends or just trying to help others and overall making the world a better place “by sharing peace and happiness.” Well said. Both types have flaws and strengths so the sooner you study both types the easier it’ll be to understand what type someone is instead of taking the test online or with a professional.” Okay. Overall, I can see why those answers are the best answers related to this question. But to really add my take on it, “Can a person have both INFJ and ENFJ?” I agree with Rachel Greene and Mr Phil Perez. Absolutely not. The thing is that, most people need to realize that the MBTI letter dichotomies, there is this incorrect way of approaching them. Personally, I completely abandoned the MBTI letter dichotomy. I actually made a video about this called “The MBTI letter dichotomies debunked.” And I actually prove that they are basically worthless when you’re using it to type someone. And most people when they type someone they just look at a person like, “Oh he seems more I, he seems more N, he seems more T, he seems more J, so he’s an INTJ.” And it’s just like, no. And in fact, I used to type people this way using the letter dichotomy system until like which my mentor found out what I was doing and then publicly destroyed me. Basically, in front of a bunch of people. Like in a high rise building in downtown Belleview, Washington exposing my cognitive functions to them and also the type grid. And expained to them that I was not who I claimed I was and had no idea what I was talking about. Well guess what? He was absolutely right and it was a very humbling experience. That being said though, I finally was confronted with the fact that the MBTI letter dichotomies are not actually accurate and they are totally bunk at this point. So, let’s look at it in a different way. According to the type grid, I get that this folks here are talking about cognitive functions. That’s amazing but typing somebody via cognitive functions is not accurate. And the reason why a person can’t be both an INFJ one moment and then ENFJ the next is because they are not actually transitioning from an INFJ to ENFJ or from ENFJ to INFJ. They are actually transitioning from, like if they were an INFJ they would transition to an ESTP. And ESTP has the same exact functions as NFJs. Again, it’s just a different order. In fact, to an INFJs four functions they’re just flipped upside down then, boom, they became an ESTP. It’s called Inversing or Inverse Theory. Look it up. But it is the subconscious, right? So, when an INFJ is extroverting they go into their ESTP subconscious. They can also do it in their ENFP shadow but it’s almost always typically in their ESTP subconscious. Conversely, when an ENFJ is in an introverted situation they may go into their INFP unconscious or they are more likely to go into their ISTP subconscious, basically. These are known as cognitive transitions. If you wanna learn more about cognitive transitions go to my other YouTube channel at CS Joseph and check out season 22, where I talk about the cognitive transitions on a regular basis. And I actually explain how they work and why they work et cetera. So I’m actually going to be doing an INTJ lecture today on that subject matter. But it’s really cognitive functions and a lot of people just don’t understand that you have Four Sides of your Mind. You know this people are focusing on like maybe up to four or eight cognitive functions in their answers. The reality of the situation is you have more like 16 cognitive functions or four times 16 cognitive functions actually, depending on what position in your mind you actually are using your cognitive functions. It’s like a giant rubix cube. Like it’s huge, right. Different cognitive functions with different roles, different attitudes, different placements et cetera. But it’s all in the perspective of where you are in your mind. Which persona are you inhabiting in that point in time. This is like the trope of having the angel or the demon sitting on your shoulders whispering in your ears et cetera, right. That trope is basically is just like you know part of me is this way but another side of me is like this. And it’s like this because you’re aware of the different sides of your mind. That’s where that comes from, right. And you have four of them, ego, subconscious, unconscious and super ego. All four of these are sides of your mind and they play out in these different ways and they have different roles and responsibilities. And depending on whether you’re introverting or extroverting you’ll go into a different side of your mind to facilitate getting past an obstacle or performing a task or doing some kind of an action or making a decision or doing some research or maybe you’re perceiving something et cetera. Gathering up information, making decisions on the information you’ve gathered. All of these things count, All of these things matter. But the bottom line is, there’s no such thing as like can a person be both an INFJ and an ENFJ. It’s completely inaccurate. It’s not true. The answer is flamboyantly, no. This thing like, “Oh, you know I’m INTP today “but sometimes I extrovert so I’m more of an ENTP.” It’s like, no. You’re actually saying you’re more ENTJ or you’re more ESFJ if you are an INTP at that stand point. Anyway, this is the basic Four Sides of the Mind but a lot of people don’t realize that we have four sides of the mind but that’s basically how it goes. And that is why CSJ community is committed to enlightening people about the type grid and the Four Sides of the Mind and typing people accurately instead of relying on the failed mbti letter dichotomy system. This is why people like Ty Lopez out there think the hexaco test is actually worth a shit when the reality of the situation is it’s not. It’s terrible and just as bad as big five test is also terrible. Or even a dark triad test. Like there are these percentages and these ranges which is just literally nothing more than the barnum effect if you can think about it. So anyway, hopefully that answers your question. If you’d like to have a chance at your question being answered on this channel please post on Quora or tag me and tag me when it’s on Quora or leave it as a comment below on this video. 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