The 3rd Orbit Ti and Te | Season 18 Cognitive Mechanics Email Lectures | CS Joseph
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Welcome to the third orbit. And this is where we are going to be discussing rationale versus logos. And, or also known as Te. Oops, that’s like a really gross looking IE, we don’t need to have gross ease like that.
And also, my arrows are terrible too, but I don’t care. So te and TI. So, before I begin, let’s remind everybody specifically, what exactly is cognitive orbit? Okay, so cognitive orbit. It’s, it’s kind of an interesting concept, and we’ve been heavily looking at it within season 23.
Right now in the journeyman membership. And within season 23. It’s like, it’s the how to parent lectures that we’ve been doing, we are over halfway done with the how to parent lectures, the next how to parent lecture is how to parent INTJ is, I think it will be coming out on Friday, which will be which will be fantastic how to parent INTJ is, but please check that out. When it comes, it’s gonna be awesome.
And parenting INTJ is, it’s not as easy as people think. So but we just finished ISTJ is, and I believe we re uploading the how to parent ISTJ is because the sound on it was terrible. But our video editor was able to fix that, and you guys should be good to go. So yeah, please don’t cut any of this.
Well, the thing is, is that this episode is going to be released publicly. And that’s why we cut some things out of it. So yeah, just so you guys know. That’s why, yeah, so season 18 is actually meant for public consumption.
Because it is emailed out to everybody, but not always. So just just be aware of that. Like, that’s a thing. And that’s why So, but anyway, um, so but in the context of parenting, cognitive orbit is actually kind of orbit like we’ve been talking about cognitive synchronicity and cognitive synchronicity is literally the theory for cognitive compatibility.
We haven’t touched the other aspect of synchronicity, where we haven’t talked about cognitive asynchronicity and cognitive asynchronicity. And I’ll be doing a five episode series on that very soon. And I should actually probably write down a reminder that I should start writing that down. That or they should actually get my show notes for that.
But cognitive asynchronicity it’s when we’re going to be talking about like the value of the functions, you know, being polar opposites, and how you can extract as much camaraderie out of that and why that’s actually, you know, valuable. So we’re gonna be looking at that. It’s kind of like, you know, having synchronous versus asynchronous orbit, et cetera, or synchronous and asynchronous access amongst all the cognitive functions. So that’s, that’s what that’s about.
We’re going to be discussing that a little bit. But it as much as cognitive synchronicity, or a synchronicity is actually utilized on a regular basis in our lives on a on a day to day basis, you know, in terms of compatibility, and camaraderie, and how to see things from those two different points of view points of view, we use orbit all the time. And orbit basically is, is this, it’s like a backdoor. It’s a, it’s like a hidden passageway between the different sides of our mind, but most specifically, between our ego and our shadow, also known as our unconscious, or our subconscious, and our and our super ego, etc.
And don’t forget, you know, we really, really do maintain that, you know, an extroverted function. It’s not actually real, an extroverted function doesn’t actually exist. It’s more of a byproduct. It’s just like how gravity doesn’t actually exist.
It’s more of a byproduct of what’s happening in the universe instead of gravity is a byproduct. So it gets like an observable effect that happens, but we just, we don’t, it doesn’t exist. It’s just a thing that we observe, or it’s a thing that happens as a result of another thing. Well, extroverted functions are the same way.
Extroverted functions don’t actually exist. It’s only introverted functions that actually truly exist. And it’s just because of their existence, then it creates, you know, those would be the young within the mind, but the yen, which technically doesn’t exist, because it’s the chaos, that those are extroverted functions. So cognitive orbit, the best one way that I could really describe cognitive orbit and I’m gonna get super metaphysical on you right now is like when you look at the universe, I actually completely reject the idea of the Big Bang.
I completely reject it. And it’s, it’s a serious, it’s a serious problem. And yes, it is it is melted into physical converting these things. Yes, it’s awesome.
But I reject the Big Bang, I think the Big Bang is fake. I think it’s a complete hoax. I think people should stop paying attention to that. I actually see the universe as an enclosed ecosystem.
It’s an enclosed ecosystem. Kind of like how, you know, you could, I don’t know, if you ever, like were in grade school, and your teachers would show you this giant glass bowl thing on a desk and have like, a lot of plants and water and dirt in it. And it’s like, it’s a self contained ecosystem, like, Oh, is it? Like, yeah, it’s a self contained ecosystem, meaning that that ecosystem will be teeming with life constantly. And it’s decaying constantly and perfect, Yin and Yang equilibrium, and perfect balance is self contained ecosystem.
This is what I maintain the universe is. And now, now, while people are saying that the universe is ever expanding, and going in every direction at once, and it’s constantly expanding, it’s also doing the opposite of expanding, it’s also shrinking at the exact same time. And yes, cold doesn’t exist, it’s just absence of heat, just like gravity doesn’t exist. It’s, you know, absence of or a byproduct of this thing.
That’s what extroverted functions are. But really, the best example of this is, is that if you were to look at the universe, and it can, it follows all possibility, all extrovert intuition, it follows all in eye pathways, basically, in all directions. Our DNA is the same way. And I’ve made this argument before in the past, but if you know what the epigenetic genome is, the epigenetic genome is all of the potential that genetic potential that our genes our DNA can change in real time.
So according to the epigenetic theory, every bite you take, or every action you take, or every behavior you take, changes your genes in real time, it changes in real time. And that’s pretty cool. By changing your genes. Now, that’s not to say, but the universe itself follows its own genome.
So imagine the human genome, the total potential of all human genetic possibility is actually just a big ring. Right? It’s just a big ring. And a human being is on you know what, I’m just gonna whiteboard this because that would like make a lot more sense. So let’s, let’s just do that.
So, you know, here’s human DNA, right? You know, and, and then here’s, here’s, here’s Chase, right here. That’s chase that that that little tiny blue dot, right. And here’s, here’s Potsie, he’s over here. He’s the red dot, right? And then And over here, here’s Raka, he got a purple rainbow thing, you know, but we’re all moving in the direction of some kind on this.
So we’re all moving in a direction, maybe Potts is actually going in that direction. For some reason, I don’t know. But I’m following the crowd. I’m going with raka on this direction.
And, but we are all moving, basically, on this possible genome. So like, our DNA strands are, you know, 09:04 going in these different directions, etc. And we’re kind of wrapping around this possible genome, this epigenetic genome, and it’s just changing over time. So every, every, everything that’s about human nurture in existence, changes our genes on a real time, and it changes our genetic expression on in real time, okay.
And then as a result of genetic expression, we are moving across our total human genome potential, right? It’s just that within the context of a human life within 100 years, they’re not going to move that much. They might only experience maybe, point 01 5% of the entire human genome possibility within one lifetime. Okay, so keep that in mind. Right.
So as a result of this epigenetic process, I’m basically making the argument that when it comes to the universe, let’s look at the universe here. The universe has a similar epigenetic genome, and the universe is actually right here. And it’s moving. It’s moving on this genome, constantly.
And this genome represents extroverted intuition. Also known as every possibility, every endless potential possibile. I can’t spill, I take whatever, whatever, I don’t care. Potential.
All potential futures, all potential realities. Okay. realities. And then the actual reality, this is sc of here, this is what’s actually happening.
And then that SC happens, and then where the genome has been. Right? That is, Si, right. And then where is it going? Right, that’s an AI. Okay, where’s it been? Where’s it going? As you know, you see what I’m saying.
So as a result of that, we know that the universe is, you know, going in this direction, it’s going counterclockwise on this model for some reason, but it’s going in that direction. It’s moving. It’s moving. But how is it possible that the universe is able to move on this genome? And this is why everyone thinks the universe is expanding, you know, within this little model right here.
How’s it able to do that? Well, it’s very simple. So back here, we have this thing known as White holes. Okay. White holes, and I spelled that wrong.
Gosh, someone just get me away from a whiteboard. And then we have over here we have black holes. Yeah. So what is the black hole? Like? Well, it’s like a jet engine.
Okay, it’s a jet engine, it’s pulling. Okay. So this has force of pole, right? And then this over here has force of push. White holes are pushing out matter.
Black holes are sucking in matter, basically. So it’s like a jet engine. The front end of the engine is the black hole. The back end of the engine is the white hole.
Okay? The white hole, the push the source, right? It’s producing, it’s the source, okay. So the white hole is effectively source functions, also known as introverted functions, Intro verted functions. Yeah, like TI, okay. Introverted functions.
Nice. But then you have, you know, the pole, right? And that is the extroverted functions, right? So the extroverted functions are pulling people trying to pull people to them, trying to pull that source closer to them, et cetera, right. So this is the this is the cognition of the universe, basically. And it’s the cognition of the universe, basically, moving universe over total potential.
Whatever it is, this is why the universe is actually within Perfect, perfect, Yin and Yang equilibrium. You see, perfect yin and yang equilibrium. And that’s why it’s constantly in motion, constantly motion, and it is exploring all potential reality. And this is why it can always keep exploring potential reality.
This is in a robbery. Yes. Okay. A robber us.
Yeah, this isn’t a robbery. Yes. It’s also the Battlestar Galactica, saying that I like to quote consistently, all that has happened before will happen again. That is Extraverted intuition, folks.
So the universe has this engine system of black holes and white holes of Poland push and is moving itself across all potential. Well, guess what, folks? It’s no different for our minds. This is exactly how our minds, you know, go from that direction as well. And it’s, it’s pretty awesome.
To be able to do that. So anyway, you know, based on this model, the universe is not forever expanding, because how could this is was where I think the laws of thermodynamics actually debunk the Big Bang. And I don’t know if I’m quoting Bart Ehrman here, but if I am, please let me know. Or maybe I’m quoting Alan Watts, I’m not sure I’m doing that either.
I really don’t know. I actually was just thinking about it. But logically speaking, the laws of thermodynamics states that the universe is in a complete state of mind entropy, but also the universe is also in a state of rebirth simultaneously. And that rebirth, the entropy is like the black holes, it’s the pole, but then the push is also the rebirth at the same time.
And because universe is in balance as a result of that, it’s able to stay in constant motion, and the universe effectively stays the same size. We’re just so small within the universe, that we can’t really tell that that’s happening. It you know, leave that to God, the Creator don’t like, I mean, why do we even have to care about this? We don’t, we don’t need to know this. Maybe we do need to know this in order to actually you know, develop proper FTL space travel like they did also in Battlestar Galactica.
Isn’t it kind of interesting that the Cylons would use that guy sitting in the tub and having his brain connected to their ship, and he was constantly preaching all that has happened before will happen again. And yet, his entire existence is the faster than light drive system for their Cylon base ship to begin with? Has anyone figured out that they were kind of like informatively, stating that space travel has a lot to do with the minds because the universe is effectively swallowing the same exact structure as our souls and our brains? And are personas? Has anyone figured that out yet? Or hell you can even go as far as Frank Herbert’s dune in The Guild of navigators and they navigate to fold space, et cetera, for their FTL jumps? Has anyone figured that out as well? Anyway, the bottom line is, is that yes, correct. So desire to reach neutral, somebody in the audience that desire to reach neutral? Yes, just like our bodies are trying to reach homeostasis. This is an example of universal homeostasis, just like our psyches are trying to reach homeostasis.
And this is a point that Mr. Chris Taylor actually had brought up to me recently when his discussion about the super ego, and that the super ego is trying to challenge the ego, and it doesn’t have respect for the ego, like I’ve said previously, but I think that is because the ego is trying to super ego is on a mission, by providing its challenge. It represents the Yin, well, the ego represents the Yang within the psyche, and it and it represents, it represents the pole, while the ego represents the push, basically. And because it’s doing that our brains are working very similarly to the actual drive system of the universe at the same time, pretty awesome, right? But this black hole, the white hole system, folks, it literally is that is what cognitive orbit is.
That is exactly what cognitive orb is. It’s the black hole, the extroverted function, and its direct link and pathway and conduit into the introverted function or vice versa. It could be a It’s not just a one way street. 18:15 It’s a two way street.
So no, I’m not I don’t think I’m honest. I don’t know why anyone are bringing that up. So I don’t see that at all. I 18:31 think the universe can have all potential etc, and push and pull, etcetera, I don’t think let me let me let me actually just define modernism here.
Define modernism, just to make sure that correct so modernism, the view and metaphysics that reality is a unified whole, and that all existing things can be ascribed or described by a single concept or system? No, I think it’s a series of systems and series of concepts. The doctrine that mind and matter are formed from or reducible to the same ultimate substance or principle being that’s what string theory is based on. I don’t I don’t agree with that. Because I think trying to like look for the, you know, the Higgs boson, or like the God particle or, you know, string theory, etc.
And I think that’s very, has, you know, monistic roots within it, but But no, I don’t, I don’t agree with that either. Any system of thought which seeks to deduce all the varied phenomena of both the physical and spiritual worlds from a single principle, specifically the metaphysical doctrine that there is but one substance, either mind idealism or matter, materialism or substances either mind nor matter, but the substantial ground of both I think we are in a dualistic a system. So especially from you know, I am a Taoist I I don’t I don’t I don’t subscribe to modernism. That being said, I could see how modernism technically would have some merit because you can make the argument like there’s no such thing as cold, there’s only absence of heat.
So heat is the only thing that actually exists a cold doesn’t exist. And he is one thing, which would technically logically prove that monism is true. But I guess it just depends if you really want to say that black holes really exist, or if you really want to say that extroverted functions really actually exist. If they really do exist, if gravity really does exist, then you would, you would be able to make the argument that it’s actually dualism.
But which, because the masculine and the feminine, I kind of subscribe to that, because I do maintain the both real and where you have the concrete and the abstract at the same exact time. Therefore, you could say that, well, concrete is the only thing that exists, but honestly, that’s very reductionist, that’s very odd comes razor. And that can actually lead to ignorance. And I don’t want to take that risk.
So as a result of that, I have to err on the side of caution and actually subscribe to the dualistic view of the universe and not a monistic view of the universe to answer your question. Good, sir, in the audience, thank you for asking. So, anyway, what if string theory is the concrete push to the abstract any pool? Yes, that’s what I’m saying. Raka? Yes, I agree with that.
And the concrete as he pushed to the abstract, yes, I agree with that. So anyway, but the point is, is that while the universe is in a constant state of entropy, and we have a law of diminishing returns, where the universe is also in a state of constant state of rebirth, and then we have the Law of Accelerating Returns, you’re gonna learn more about the Law of Accelerating Returns read Ray Kurzweil in his book about the coming singularity. Also, I would like to state that I am not a transhumanist I’m actually against trend transhumanism, so like that’s a thing. Please be aware of that thing.
So anyway, so using this as a model, I just want you guys to know, like looking at the universe, and the metaphysics involved here, cognitive orbit follows roughly the same exact pattern. And when you’re looking at, you know, the four sides of the mind, you have to see our four sides of the mind as our own inner internal universe, basically, just like, you know, and this is where you can get into the, you know, if you go watch episode one of season 17, where I talk about the source of all cognition, you can effectively make the argument that the source of all can cognition, also known as God, the Creator, etcetera. If God the Creator really exists, then we are perhaps maybe a figment of his imagination. And then we each are a puzzle piece of that imagination, such that we have our own inner universe.
Also, I really love the song by Ortega, composed by Yoko Cano, who is the intro song to Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex, also titled inner universe, it is the dopest you might want to check that out. So anyway, that being said, cognitive orbit literally is following the identical logic in terms of how it works mechanically within our minds. So let’s actually do that. And we’re going to be, we’re going to be let’s look at let’s look at a T let’s look at, let’s look at an INTJ.
Let’s look at an INTJ right now. On this. So we’re gonna do an INTJ. And who else should we do? Let’s do an ES TP? Yeah, let’s do an ESTP.
Doing something interesting about these two types. So let’s get some INTJ. Going INTJ we have an eye we have te we have fi we have S E. We have an E we have TI we have F E and we have si for its cognitive functions.
We’re going to do an ESTP over here. Then we have SE and then we have TI and then we have Fe and then we have an eye that’s a horrible and i i regret making that. And then we have si te F i and e. Okay.
So we have two people here on our board. So yeah, Yeah, no. The thing is, though do is that you can still prove things exist without concrete evidence, for example, a lot of what is unknown within our race and whatnot, because actually recently, they proved Einstein’s theory of relativity to be true. And they did this by observing a binary star system adjacent to a black hole and they took pictures of it, and they’re able to actually track how the light bended up from the stars bended around the black hole.
And because they were able to observe that it literally proved Einstein’s theory of relativity basically, but there was no way to prove it, they just stumbled upon being able to prove it later, which means extroverted intuition in conjunction with either extroverted thinking or Introverted Thinking. But especially Introverted Thinking, it is actually possible using logic alone to prove it, even if you don’t have any concrete evidence, if all you have is abstraction, you can still observe the metaphysical world through abstractive perception using Extraverted intuition, you have an introverted intuition. And then if you are still following a logical system, you actually can prove that it is true and know that it is true, even though you can’t actually bring those metaphysics into the concrete. Until recently, our race has not been able to prove that the theory of relativity is true, but they actually did and they did about two years ago.
So that is a pretty awesome approach. Yeah, well, the to the time study with two clocks is one thing, but being able to observe the light. And if you’re traveling at the same speed as light, you know, are you blind, basically, because you literally can’t see anything, because you’re traveling at the exact same speed, and it’s completely and totally dark. That would make sense, you’d have to travel faster, to be able to see again, or slower to be able to see, again, if you’re traveling at the same speed.
You can’t you can’t see anything, right. So it’s kind of like the reverse Doppler effect. It’s, it’s kind of interesting how that works mechanically. But kind of orbit, you know, has as a different approach.
So So remember, folks, you know, we’re discussing extroverted thinking to TI and what this specific orbit actually looks like. Now, the reason why I chose the two types is because when you look at these two types, you have a parent function here. And then you have a critic function here. And what’s interesting about the parent, whenever you have functions that are in the parent and critic, they actually form an orbit of some kind.
And then you know, it’s no different. It’s no different here. Here’s the parents. And here’s the critic.
And this is this is very, this is very special, within this particular orbit. The reason why is is when you have a function in the parent function slot necessary, because of how pessimistic these functions are, they’re very, very pessimistic, they are sharper, they have higher accuracy, 28:22 they have higher accuracy. As a result, that being too optimistic, because optimistic functions, they tend to make, you know, for example, they make, they tend to make leaps, they can be arrogant, so like leaps of logic, for example, you know, or LEAP leaps of APT of rationale, or they’re very arrogant, they take it too far. Optimistic functions, they can take it too far, right.
And as you’re looking at the ego versus unconscious here, just, you know, for simplicity reasons, because explaining this from a subconscious to a super ego approach is pretty difficult. But looking at it here, like a hero function, so like ni hero with what it wants, it can be like really impulsive versus an NI parent, while still impulsive, at least it’s responsible. So the pessimism allows for parent and critic functions to be more accurate than their other functional counterparts. This is why I like to call this a capacity for mastery.
Okay, so these two types are masters of thinking. Now I understand that we call the Trickster function in its super mature form, the master function, that’s what I’m talking about. That’s not what I’m talking about. Obviously, that would be even stronger from a mastery standpoint, but are things in two different states at the same time when not observed? I don’t know.
So, so based on that, um, These two things have mastered thinking. So, rationale and TI, which means an INTJ can use te and TI, they can use them interchangeably, it just takes them a lot more practice and a lot of time to actually get to the point where they’re able to use their TI, you know, pretty effectively, right? Just like an ESTP has te critic. So they’re, they’re, they’re able to have more thinking. But if you look at like, let’s imagine, let’s imagine that you know, if there was like an ISTP, let’s do a, let’s look at an ISTP over here, right? Ti seni Fe on this side, and then you have te e and then excuse me, te and the SI you have N E, and then you have F fi on this side.
What’s what’s the problem? What’s the problem with ti hero and Te nemesis? Well, they’re both optimistic. And the thing is, is that they can make the ISTP can make leaps of logic and it’s because it makes leaps of logic because it is more prone it’s more prone to ignorance ti hero is more prone to ignorance and as higher risk of ignorance than t i parent, right then this TI parent over here. The reason why and remember what the ignorance of TI actually is, it is a preferred input or last known inputs, right? Prefer to input versus last known. Okay.
And this leads to ignorance but optimistic functions because these functions are trying a lot harder, pessimistic functions don’t try as hard but optimistic functions do try a lot harder. And this is why an ISTP is not necessarily a master of thinking because from an ISTP standpoint standpoint, that ti hero, it makes leaps of logic, it thinks it becomes accustomed to being the hero, it’s way too accustomed to being the hero. And oftentimes, this causes the TI hero to jump to conclusions, but a TI parent the ESTP, it’s not going to jump to conclusions as often. The ti parent is more responsible with ti parent relies on less on preferred input or less on last known input compared to a TI hero.
While the TI hero is technically unpaid for the best processor, or potentially the most intelligent of all the types, the suit, the problem is though is that the TI parent still has a higher chance of being more correct and more accurate than the TI hero. And that’s why, you know, the hero often adheres to the parent a lot for advice, etc. It’s kind of like Superman, always going back to Smallville, and, you know, trying to talk to his or going back to the fortress of solitude, and having a conversation with his father drill in the crystals etc. Because it provides him you know, with with needed advice, etc.
Because the hero can’t always do everything on their own, they need the parent, because the hero ends up taking it way too far. And they are at risk of making these huge leaps or becoming arrogant and using ti as an example, right now as higher preferred input versus last known input, etc. So no, it doesn’t have to be paired with ignorance, it can be infantile or broken. But again, you start getting into the you start getting into the risk of like, hey, are they cognitive transitioning right now? Is that actually happening? You know? Or is it is? Or is it going through? Is it activating through an orbit instead of a transition? You know? So like, there’s a lot of questions that come up with asking that question in response, so I can’t really answer it for sure, because there’s other variables that have to be tracked while you’re doing this.
So anyway, the point is, is that you know, when you’re looking at the third orbit, in this particular model, it’s really just important to understand that when you have parent functions in an orbit with their critic, they end up being the most effective they have the highest efficacy for that form of cognition better than other people. This is why ie TPS and I T j’s are what I call the four masters of thinking ISTJ INTJ ESTP intp those people literally have a monopoly on thinking but then you’re looking at an ENFP they have monopoly on feeling so then you have ESPs you know, have a monopoly on morality and ethics just like also i f J’s You know, have that monopoly on on feelings? Well, because they’re keeping those functions pessimistic those decision making functions, you know, pessimistic in there. So yeah. And so as a result of that, you know, there’s there’s some issues there, you know, as a result, I don’t.
Okay, hold on. I don’t think that is one reason why ISTPs are better than tacticians and ESTP. Now, I could be jumping to a conclusion about what you’re saying, and I apologize ahead of time. But se hero, or Yes, I’m sorry, I got that backwards.
Yes, I agree. Because as the parents, you know, in terms of, you know, the ICP ends up becoming like a part of the masters of sensing the ISTP is more likely to be able to obligate themselves or something than an ESTP, because their extroverted sensing parent is more pessimistic, it is more effective, right? So parent functions are more effective, right? Which means critic functions would technically be more effective as well, you do not have this benefit when you’re looking at the hero to Nemesis approach. So just realize, well, it takes a little bit more mental energy to utilize the pessimistic functions of your parent, your critic, they are more effective. Um, so, so yeah, that that, that is the thing.
So. So yeah. So I wanted to make this distinction first, before, you know continuing on into continuing on into, you know, going into the actual orbits here, so I’m going to erase some of these things. To make some space here for us.
So let me let me do that 36:54 okay, let’s get rid of that. Let’s get rid of this. We don’t need this Come on. Okay.
All right. Let’s actually just get rid of these I don’t need the size TP appear anymore. 37:24 Okay. You know, it’s kind of interesting if you think about it, because when you look at masters of perception, which would be a parent critic functions for perceiving functions, and then you have the masters of sensing between, you know, the SI parents and the SE parents, but then you look at the Masters of intuition between any parents and an AI parents.
Those types just want to have any hero and like, my seeing my prescients can be overreaching, like I can, over prognosticate, I can over predict I can over conjecture, basically. And it’s not as accurate like my conjecture is not as accurate as why I’ve like hired I NTPs or INFP is on my team just specifically to ask their any parent. Okay, so what do you think is actually going to happen here, and they’re, they’re taking my antihero to school, it’s great seeing a parent really taking a hero to school, it happens all the time. So um, but anyway.
So cognitive orbit is super, super important. So like using parenting as an example, but could be useful for anything. Extroverted thinking, to Introverted Thinking or Introverted Thinking to experts thinking, we have two different pathways, and they can go down and they can go up, it’s a two way street, where information is being moved between other things. Now, the problem is, is that like, when we look at parents, when an ego gets older, it starts protecting itself, these functions start protecting themselves, and they are protecting their ego investments.
And this is one thing that the super ego doesn’t like that the ego does, is that it sees that the ego gets invested in things. And the super ego is constantly trying to challenge the ego, and to remove its ego investments. Because it’s like the ego investments don’t really mean that much. They don’t really mean that much.
And one of the ways that it does this is it does this by doing a cognitive transition itself directly into the unconscious, and the unconscious and then accesses the back end the back the back doors basically, into the ego and cognitive and that’s where it you know, but then again, not only that the ego can actually access the superpowers of the super ego by utilizing you know, its backdoors directly into the super ego as well. And one of the ways that I’ve done this person Generally, is create an SI inferior habit, through my expert sensing demon to access my extroverted sensing demon, my ESF P, demons, interest awareness, in order to protect my si inferior in a reverse way, because usually when someone’s Si, when someone’s Inferior function gets hit, the super ego activates to come to the aid of the inferior child. It’s just like that trope, where there is like a baby, you know, left for dead out in the wilderness. And it just happens to be left for dead out in like a barren wasteland.
And the great the great demon actually ends up taking the child and raising the child is its own. actually a really good example of this. AND popular culture is Game of Thrones. And if I remember correctly, it might be at the end of season two or season three.
But when of crafters sons are being sacrificed to the White Walkers, also known as the others, you can see that the great evil the land, who is the Night King starts turning that baby into one of them basically. And that’s an example of the great evil of the super ego. Coming over, you know, to the inferior and granting, it’s super amazing, demonic, mystical divine powers upon the infant child basically. And that’s what happens when you hit someone’s inferior and their super ego activates to come to the aid of the Inferior function, you know, as a result, what how is why is this relevant? It’s relevant because a person could actually utilize cognitive orbit to get into you know, that there.
So let’s, since we’re using, you know, Ti and Te, we can do that again, right here. Let’s let’s look at, let’s look at, let’s look at an ENFJ. For example, since we’re picking on Templars tonight for some reason. So we have an ENFJ.
Right here. And, okay, and so, and then you have the TE demon of like, no one’s opinions ever, no one gets opinions, I’m not going to listen, blah, blah, blah. And then you have this TI truth, right? And then someone’s like, Oh, you were stupid, you’re stupid, right? And, you know, and then the TI activates, and it goes down through cognitive orbit to the demon, which is the gateway into the super ego, right? The gateway and the super ego. And then as a result of that gateway, it, you know, all of a sudden, it’s able to send its super powers up to the TI function, and give it that way where the TI function basically, in order to bolster its truth, it’s utilizing the demonic opinion, basically.
You know, and then it’s able to do it from there, and it’s able to, you know, protect, you know, the infant, because the super ego sometimes it’s like, wow, where’s the NI parents taking, taking care of the infant Inferior function, oh, it’s not doing its job. So, or it did do its job, but it failed, okay, and the infant was left in the barren wasteland in my domain, left in my domain. And the super ego is like, Okay, this es TJ super ego is like, Fine, then I will take this little ti inferior, and I will become its master its professor and teach it the ways and grants my powers upon this very weak infant child, just like in Game of Thrones, basically. So this, this is the same thing.
It’s the same approach, you know, as far as results, you know, so this is this is the value of, of cognitive orbit, this is what it’s able to accomplish. And this is an example of how opinion can, you know, be supported with truth because what’s really important about opinion, is that a truth I just want you to say, truth or logos, it’s proof, but you can’t really have proof without evidence. Right? So what this ENFJ ends up learning, it learns it starts to learn that in order for people to listen to their truth and not to have their ti inferior stomped on, they end up learning how to get gather evidence and to guarantee that their infant is protected, they end up bolstering their inferior with additional evidence to make sure that no one else will challenge their ti inferior ever again. Right? This is an example of cognitive orbit, okay? This is why I stated in the SI SE, first cognitive orbit lecture that we did two lectures ago, about with my own Introverted Sensing, that’s how I develop the habit, I am triple systematic, that puts me at severe risk, my super ego hates it, when other people are taking advantage of it.
In fact, I had a really great phone conversation with my intp friend Vicki, like last night, and she, Oh, thank God. For a second there, I thought I’d finished that. Um, so she, she told me something really, really important. And she’s like, you know, Chase, you really need to make sure that you’re taking care of baby Chase, you got to take care of you, your infant child inside of your infant inside of your mind, your Inferior function, I can tell that you’re not I could tell that you’re often doing crafters, child sacrifice, I’m inserting that in there.
46:25 Because that’s what Christ was doing. The child being sacrificed in the north, to protect a Craster, his ego investments, his way of life with his harem of women, et cetera, at his home, north of the wall, in order to and that’s his ego, that’s his environment. That’s his ego. In order to protect his ego, he has to continuously sacrifice his infants, infant sons, his Inferior function, okay? It’s the same concept, making that sacrifice, just like I have to sacrifice.
My Si, when I’m constantly being loyal to church, or loyal to women I shouldn’t be loyal to or loyal to addictions I shouldn’t be loyal to, or loyal to experiences I shouldn’t be loyal to or loyal to systems or ways of thinking or social norms, or organizations or ideals I shouldn’t be loyal to right. My super egos, like, What the hell, you shouldn’t be loyal to that. And super ego is like, Fine, you have all those stupid Eagle investments, I’m going to come and destroy you and wipe you out, the White Walkers are going to come and destroy you and wipe Craster out out of crafters keep. And so instead of doing that he’s like, I’m just gonna sacrifice my infant Inferior function to you instead.
And then the super ego is fine. I’ll take your inferior and then I’ll make it my own. You see, that’s an example of cognitive orbit directly within our Extraverted Intuition tropes hero’s journey, and mythology, right there. Game of Thrones is a mythos, the Song of Ice and Fire is they need those.
Okay. So this is this is literally how this happens mechanically within our heads on a daily basis. Okay. When you’re looking at, you know, the super ego as a result.
So, this is a thing. Okay. So cognitive orbit, you have to be aware that there is, you know, some limitations as a result, you know, well, I don’t know if it’s limitations, but when you’re looking at when you’re looking at other types, like other than, like, you know, ENFJ is for you to take a you know, like an INTJ and whatnot, you know, they end up their orbit is like this is that, like, I got to know the truth, I got to know the truth, I got to know the truth, that critic is demanding the truth. Because the, because the super ego is trying to pull, pull hard towards the ego pull the ego down to itself.
So it could hopefully replace the ego basically. But it’s doing this through the influence of the unconscious, and it’s trying to get in and it could also do it through the influence of the subconscious. But that’s another discussion later, that’s actually more cognitive access than it is cognitive orbit. But by doing this, you know, through cognitive orbit, you know, on the lower side of the mind lower for functions, the unconscious as it were doing the unconscious and doing it that way.
It’s, it’s because it’s trying to get those energies and those are the backdoors between, you know, to the ego itself, you know, so the INTJ is like, Oh, hey, you know, I need to go gather I need to have evidence, I have to have an amazing opinion. But the thing is, is that the orbits like Well, wait a minute, how do I know my opinion is actually true? What if my opinions not true? What do I do there? You know, and that can be a serious problem. How do I know? How do I know? My opinion is correct? How do I know my te opinion is true? So, so what happens is, is that when you have this orbit, this TI critic, they’re very critical there. They’re very, you know, almost like grandparents or they’re very senile elders, and a Siena elder.
It’s like, okay, I know the truth. I know the truth. But I forgot. I need to know the truth again, but I forgot.
I need to know the truth again, but I forgot. And that can be very difficult for an INTJ. It’s one of the reasons why it doesn’t matter how many time to take the Discover test at CS joseph.ly. Forward slash discover that they ended up hiring me for a typing session anyway.
Because they’re like, I just need to know, I just need to know, I just need to know I need to gather evidence, I need something external to validate what I already know is true. Because their ego wants to have its ego investments, right? Because the TE is not satisfied, even though the the the tests and the ebb and everything they have up there is telling their ti okay, yes, I know. I’m an INTJ. I know I’m an INTJ.
But the TI is like, but you don’t have any external evidence for that. Right. And it’s a problem. It’s, it’s, it’s a huge problem.
So yeah, Andy Chow calls it the research positive feedback loop. It never ends. It really never ends. What’s in the basement? Okay.
Yeah. And you reap what you sow? Yes, exactly. So it’s, it’s a problem. It’s a serious problem for this for this cognitive orbit.
But really, it comes down to like, in order to have a complete view of truth, you can’t you have to look at Te and TI, as, you know, oh, this is the pathway by which we get to truth overall, you know, how to get there. You know, and what we’re getting there with, it’s a little bit different, you have to have both, you really, really have to have both, because here’s the thing, like you look at an ENFJ or an ES FJ, they have ti inferior, they have te demon, you know, or they’re not really going to have as much truth awareness, now ti child will have a little bit more, because ti its logos as logical II can arrive to a truth regards the input that it’s working with, but being able to gather input at the same time, or gather evidence at the same time, and then extract truth from that, through, you know, processing the that input or that evidence. It’s, it’s going to have a higher chances of arriving to a truth conclusion. So, so really, I often say that Ti is like, truth oriented, it’s technically not.
It’s, it’s more of like facts, you know, or concrete facts, right. Whereas TE is more actually abstract. Facts. They’re abstract, they’re fractions.
So, you have abstract fractions, and then the TI turns into concrete. And then the result is truth, basically, you know, and it works, and it works in that direction. But if you don’t understand, you know, truth. You know, from that standpoint, and this is why, you know, like, like, ti users, they’re closer to the truth.
Yes, they are closer to the truth, they have the TI facts because all the TI users around them, they could still grab those abstract facts are those teasers are going to provide those abstract facts to the TI users to turn them into concrete facts, and then it’s over. And then the TI users are the ones who ends up knowing the truth, they end up holding the truth, then it being the source of truth as a result. But still, those concrete facts still require the abstract facts first, in order for them to reach those conclusions to begin with. And it goes both ways.
You know, because you have an INTJ, who is all about having those abstract facts gathering up as evidence. It’s kind of like what my friend Alex he’s an ESTP. He says conspiracy theories are two things. A conspiracy theory is a story without evidence, which is a TI without te.
Or it is evidence without a story. It’s a bunch of Te without ti essentially right and that is what this cognitive orbit is all about. That’s literally what it means. So ti child is most likely to achieve concrete facts um, I kind of think ti parent is the most likely to achieve concrete facts.
However, ti child is so innocent with the concrete facts that it has the because they lack extroverted thinking so much which they lack their ability because here’s the problem with ti child, te trickster within its cognitive orbit, te trickster absorbs and it is willing to listen to anybody, it’s willing to listen to anything, it’s willing to gather up any evidence, even if that evidence is fake, it wasn’t gathered in a responsible way, they will look at any evidence, any evidence, and then they will process any evidence. So their output their output that comes out their Fe output, because remember, you have that process of Te Ti Fe FYI, input process output feedback in that order, which is what we first started with, at the beginning of cognitive mechanics, that feedback loop, basically that system, because they’re eight, they’re willing to look at any evidence, guess what their ti child can come to any conclusion. This is why INFJs think crystals have magic in them. This, you know, like, as an example, this is why INFJs are often involved with the occult, or mysticism or spirituality or different belief systems, very fringe taboo belief systems, even, it’s because they’re willing to sit down and consider any evidence, which just triggers they are ENFP golden pairs, because their golden parents are like, their te child is like 56:27 that evidence is literally worthless.
Why are you spending so much time looking at worthless evidence, you are arriving to the wrong conclusions and thinking that things are true. Because the evidence that you are processing those abstract facts that you’re looking at so abstract, so they’re not technically facts, I guess, those abstract factoids, I guess you could call them. I’m sorry, but you’re wrong. And you’re always going to think about things incorrectly.
Here’s some abstract facts that are actually handled in a responsible manner and to get you thinking about the proper things. So you actually can arrive to the concrete conclusions. So and I NFJ is literally just a data processor. But the problem is, if you leave them on their own, to gather up their own evidence together through an input, they’re going to fail.
That’s why they need a TI user around them to help them. 57:30 Yes, te trickster can be helpful because a lot of evidence and input that an INFJ can gather, there’s a 5050 chance right in general that that evidence could be good evidence versus bad evidence, right? It could be collected Well, or it could have not been collected well as a 5050 chance. So ultimately, Ti is still able to get through it. And the other advantage of TI child is that it’s a child and it doesn’t run out of energy.
A ti parent does run out of energy. And it’s your child because it doesn’t run out of energy. It can keep nitpicking and it will eventually nitpick everything and Rivera fie everything he already knows anyway, to make sure that it still is true. This is why ti child can still ultimately arrive at the most divine level of truth.
But it’s also for that same reason that they can be their ti can be heavily corrupted. And that’s why an INFJ or an INFJ can be insanely dogmatic, dogmatic INFJ is a corrupt ti child with the wrong input. Right. So they, what they end up having to do is they have to keep listening to new input, even input that would disagree with their ti child and keep listening to new input and not close themselves off, so as to guarantee that their ti child stays pure.
Okay, within this cognitive orbit, it’s absolutely important. It is it is critical to have that purity of TI child literally means listening to things, too, that they either don’t want to do or things that make them uncomfortable, and then spending the time to actually verify if that’s true. And then they can adjust themselves as a result. They have to keep doing this over and over and over.
If they don’t do that, well, then they’re going to become ignorant and then their Ti is going to be corrupt and they’re going to think it’s okay to rob a store on behalf of somebody else. They’re gonna think it’s okay to be a prostitute for someone else’s sake, which I’ve met INFJs that way. And oh my gosh, that was a scary time in my life. Glad I’m not doing that anymore being around those people.
That was so bad. The story is that I was on a dating app one time, and I went she ended up actually being a prostitute. And I had no no thing can’t be thing but you know with ti child that you gotta be careful because you can easily manipulate a TI child by by pre programming them. 1:00:10 So that can be a problem.
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So yeah, so these are all examples of how cognitive orbit actually works when it comes to TI versus te. And in order for TI to be effective in arriving to the actual concrete facts, the truth, basically, it still requires to have good input. Some people like the TE users when they need to use their orbit to gather evidence first, before they allow themselves to think something is true, right. That’s the first example of cognitive orbit, then there are the TI users who already think they know what is true and will only gather evidence that supports what they already know.
And that is what pisses off te users all the time. Because TE is just like, oh, hold the phone. You didn’t gather enough evidence. I go out of my way to gather evidence before I allow myself to think something is true.
You ti users only gather evidence to support what you already think is true. That is bias. Okay? All ti users do that. All of them do that.
Luckily, I’m ti parent. And I do that the least because I’m responsible, I’m so glad I have ti parents so thankful that I have ti parent, I could not imagine living as a TI inferior. I could not imagine doing that. And being that, you know, I just I couldn’t and I’m not begging on TI and furious when I say that.
But I could see how a lot of Te users see a TI inferior as an intellectual burden on them when they’re constantly having to provide evidence to that ti inferior just to help take care of that ti inferior that ti infant person. And it’s a it’s a thing. And this is this is why this is why Te users consistently say that ti users are ignorant or why they’re biased or how they, you know, they rely on last known input or preferred input basically. And all ti users do this, the more responsible ti user, the less they actually do this.
And over time, though a TI inferior can end up through aspiration becoming the absolute most responsible when it comes to truth, but it takes an entire lifetime for them to get there. Because they’re able to actually access their super egos, demon angelic power, basically through their infant function via cognitive orbit. To make it the absolute strongest and even stronger than a TI parent. It can happen.
An example this is using the first orbit which is si versus se, I’m able to access my ESFP super ego performance and interest based capabilities to use that to strengthen my si into si aspirational such that I’m able to access those energies mentally, to become the super strong si user to the point where no one can out endure me and no one can out persevere me no one can out suffer me. And I will always be the last man standing. Right. So that’s another example that and you could see examples of that cognitive orbit and the movie Ender’s Game with Harrison Ford.
Especially looking at the fight between one of the team leaders in the main character Ender Wiggin, who is in the intp. And he’s literally accessing his se demon to strengthen his si inferior suffering, etc, to persevere. And he’s able to defeat his enemy while also removing his enemies opportunities for any future potential conflict by basically making sure the enemy has no ability to retaliate. That’s an example of the si se si inferior to se demon cognitive orbit.
Right? That’s how it goes. So and yes, it’s Helen Shang says it is a form of stubborn so so willpower is always just finding a pathway forward or a way to escape it’s like being an escape artist. And I will powers like being an escape artist you know, and I inferior and ESTP using its cognitive orbit to become an escape artists where it uses the And II demons capability through the ENFP super ego to always create an opportunity for its ni inferior to escape any situation, right ESTPs are amazing at being escape artists, it’s unbelievable, they are always able to free themselves every single time. And that’s why provided their an eye is aspirational.
Up until that point, their Ni is often in shackles. And that can be a problem. So be aware of that. So we’re kind of getting a little bit off topic here is supposed to be about te versus ti in this third orbit basically.
But in general, understand that that’s how these two different approaches go. The high ti users go out of the way to gather evidence first, before they end up gathering evidence first, before they allow themselves to come to a true conclusion. The ti users are verifying evidence, basically verifying evidence because they’re trying to find the value in the evidence or trying to find the fit in the evidence, basically. And they’ll throw it out if there is no so they’re processing that evidence, basically, the thing is, is that oftentimes, when they’re able to use their logic, they only want to find the evidence that supports their, their views.
So technically, this is why a TI user or a te user is technically more open minded than a TI user, because ti users are prone to being stubborn. And this is why I say technically, the ENFP out of all the 16 types is the most open minded of all the types. But that open mindedness is absolutely necessary, because that’s how we as a race gain forgiveness, because an ENFP through its wise INFJ shadow, its Fe critic, as well as you know, it’s everlasting sympathy, you know, and we’ll, we’ll talk about this in the next episode. It literally can find grace and forgiveness literally for anybody.
And which is important, because we’re going to need that before we as a race are completely tossed away in the fire. So that’s kind of how it goes, can you be stuck in a t i t loop? So guys, that’s the end of this lecture. Thanks for watching, we’re gonna go into our q&a mode now. But please keep the questions related to this lecture.
Can he be stuck in a T it loop? Absolutely, you can, but not in the not in the same way that cognitive looping is generally understood. It’s more of, it’s more of, you know, like, like me as a TI parent, I’m not willing to go forward until I absolutely have the correct evidence because my ti e critic is forcing me to gather evidence so that I know for a fact that what my TI parent believes is true or knows is true, is actually true. And then it can get in the way. And I can lead to stagnation, sometimes, because I can get into analysis, paralysis, and so different than like, say, for example, an INTJ or an ISTJ, they get stuck gathering evidence to come to a true conclusion.
And sometimes they’ve already gathered enough evidence, but for some reason, they doubt that they have enough evidence, and they keep gathering evidence and more evidence and more evidence, and then they get stuck and gathering the evidence and they’re not willing to accept that what they already know is true. That’s the other direction, you know, in terms of the third cognitive orbit. Okay? What was that about ti child pre programming, I cut it out for that, okay, so ti child free programming, basically, is, what you do is is that you completely control the input that the TI child has. It’s where you’re preventing the TI child from gathering its own evidence, and the TI child was completely dependent on you gathering evidence for it.
The ti child is outsourced the evidence gathering to another person, and which effectively allows the other person to control the life of the TI child. Completely control them. I’ve seen it happen multiple times for iossef, j’s and INFJs and iossef. JS, my typical go to argument is like how church and being in a church group, and the social norms of a church group and like a church, cult etcetera, like my mother, all of that input was being controlled by the TE child ENFP pastor, and she basically wasn’t thinking for herself because she was outsourcing all of her input in terms of her dogma and how she was living her life as a result of some somebody else’s input that they were choosing to give her and that input benefited her because they knew that she would think about things in a certain way that would benefit them.
1:10:11 Another way to look at it is the feminine primary social order has conditioned men in such a way where it is limiting certain input certain truths, to be certain evidences to be known to men, it’s kind of like book burning, so that those ti child men can only arrive to conclusions that will ultimately force them to continue to be subservient to the feminine primary social order. That is an example of pre programming ti child by literally controlling and being the gatekeeper the input ENFPs do this all the time. ESF peas do this all the time. But it’s especially bad if ENFPs even inf peas do it.
But ENFPs I’ve seen it done the most, where they like to put themselves in a position as gatekeeper. And they filter in all of the information between the people beneath them, and the people above them. And they end up being able, since they are an information Nexus, they end up being able to control people above them, and people below them simultaneously. And they eventually are able to be in the positions of power over both parties, because they’re the one who controls which information is known by who basically, which is really, really dark and fucked up if he asked me, so.
Alright. So to get out need more info, yeah, you have to be willing, if you’re a TI child, and you’re concerned that you being pre programmed, you have to in order to see the light, the light being the truth, in order to see the light, you have to be willing to risk the dark, which means like my mother would we have to be happy, willing to go listen to other things that is not typical to the input, the preferred input that she is comfortable to receive from my ENFP, former pastor, et cetera. That’s how you on the way out, it literally comes down to verify and verify everything with your TI by verifying trust that they say, but always verify. That’s how you get out of it.
So yeah, so an INFJ needs others to arrive at the truth of TI yet should not be around others and those others have bad morals. That’s not exactly what I’m saying. Just verify. Okay, so you have to look for new external sources to verify not just one source also very true.
And, yeah, awesome. Okay. Well, I don’t see any other questions coming in right now. And I think we’re doing pretty good here otherwise.
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