Season 9, Episode 4 Transcript
– Hey, C.S Joseph , csjoseph.life doing another episode in our series, E versus I types how do you, the extroverted types compared to their introverted types, this is a user requested season or series I here on YouTube channel, podcast. And today we gonna be comparing the ENTJ to the INTJ. A lot of people have a hard time typing themselves and especially since, you know, the MBTI testifying, the internet, the number one was common result that people get is INTJs it’s as if they’re like testing for, INTJs, et cetera. And that could be a problem. Wow, allergies are really bad today. Maybe I should keep the door closed instead of keeping it open and then just letting all the pollen inside. So, I can actually pay attention on, you know, filming and recording these instead of mess with my twitchy nose.
Anyway, with that in mind the ENTJ versus the INTJ. User requested so, we’re going to do a deep dive into both types and see how they are different and see how they are similar as well. So, the ENTJ, direct, initiating and control, there are also an intellectual, which means they are an intuitive thinker which means they are future thinker, always focused on the what if from a logical or rational standpoint to say that they are rational. Okay, that’s fine for ENTJs and INTJs, but not fine for INTPs or ENTPs. This is why, I wanna 100% reject Keirsey’s ideas on the temperaments and his label of calling the entities, the rationals, because I’m sorry, they’re not rational. Half of them are, the other half are not. So that’s why I use the word intellectual instead. Well, if I’m an INFJ and I’m super intelligent and I’m an intellectual too. No, that just means you’re an academic whose an idealist does not necessarily mean intellectual. I’m talking about the definition of intellectual from a human nature standpoint, which is intuitive thinker. It’s not intuitive feeler. You know what I mean? That’s the difference. And these two are intuitive thinkers yet they’re also rational. So, here we go. Direct initiating control, direct responding movement. This is the chart, the course type, to see it through type, that is the INTJ.
They are so focused on getting something finished. They’re like a laser beam sniper rifle to get to where they want. ENTJs are super similar but INTJ is really go the full of nightmare for both, quite frankly. So, Te here, they are so insane rationale, all about what other people think. Now, what does rational look like? Rational, if you had to imagine someone’s mind you have 10 tables in this mind, and you’re sitting on all these tables simultaneously, and you have 10 lines, 10 thoughts at each table, and they’re all going true false, true, false, true, false. Some of them are true, Some are false. Majority rules ,that is the decision, that is made for rational thinkers. A logical thinker is someone who has one table with 100 thoughts in one single line going rapid speed, true, false, true, false, true, false, true, false with all the lines. And each individual, thought has its own truth and its own false attached to it. Instead of making it more general judgment using like statistical thinking for example, to say, okay majority rules because X amount say true X amounts says false that’s how I’m going to arrive to my conclusion. That’s the difference between rationale and logic.
For example, logic being, if this, then this or rational being, if these things are this, then these things are that, et cetera. Notice that there’s a pola- a singularity versus polarity. Plurality there, et cetera. So again, rationale all about what other people think, all about what they want, all about giving other people a good experience and all about how they feel. Wait, that sounds just like INTJ which is, why it gets really confusing between these two types. The thing is, is that INTJs are even more wanty than ENTJs cause ENTJs are responsible with what they want. So they’re technically a little bit less impulsive than INTJs. INTJs are super impulsive. And in fact, because this is direct responding movement, this is informative initiating movement. And this is informative initiating movement, that basically means we have move, move, move. I’m not trying to sound like a cow, trust me. Three types moving of this is known as triple movement which means they make decisions super quick. They are prone to jumping to conclusions because of that. But over here, we have, control, control, control.
ENTJs they take their jolly sweet time, they are triple control. They have to control everything, this is why people accuse the ENTJs of being so overly controlling all the time. So INTJs are not controlling, whereas ENTJs are controlling. Why is that? Well, because it’s the difference between how they want to get their progress. ENTJs believe that progress cannot take place in the midst of chaos, whereas INTJs believe progress can take place in the midst of chaos, and sometimes you did add chaos in order to get progress, whereas ENTJs are scared of chaos if chaos is present, the problem progress cannot occur. That is the difference between control and movement. So as one, that major stark difference. Another difference is that they are initiating they are responding. So, that basically means INTJs are introverted. They prefer to respond, they prefer people to come to them and make and hopefully that they would feel important enough that others would think highly enough of INTJs to go to them with information, make sure that they are kept informed.
ENTJs don’t necessarily care about that. ENTJs are going to the source of information and extract that information from the source of the lead and then move on to the next thing. INJs expect other people to come to them with information, to keep them informed. One of the things that really bothers me about them sometimes because I don’t have time all the time to always make sure my INTJs is informed about everything. And then they get mad at me because I didn’t think to inform them when I’m sorry there’s more important stuff did for me to do instead of just like devote myself to him, keeping them in the loop all the time. Yeah, INTJs get really pissed off about being left out a loop whereas ENTJs if they are left out of the loop they go to the source of information and extract that information either by a fist or by a handshake to get what they need before they move on because they’re in charge like that, and they’re willing to take the lead, they’re willing to initiate. INTJs are not willing to initiate. Why is that? Well, it’s because they have this thing called Se inferior.
INTJs are insecure about giving other people a good experience or any experience they are insecure about how they come off how they look, they’re insecure with their driving. They don’t want to look bad on the roads. They don’t really get that driver’s license until later in life. INJs is specifically because of Se inferior are the latest to drivers or they choose not drive at all specifically INFJs but INTJs are willing to get that driver’s license sooner or later. But the, you know, they’re more likely to get it than INFJs but still driving as an issue because they’re so insecure of looking bad in front of other people, insecure looking bad in front of the instructor, it just insecure stop with the insecurity with driving people. It’s because of you are afraid it on the road. That’s what causes accidents, It is a self fulfilling prophecy. If you stop being afraid because you get the practice, you’re ready to start getting comfortable because other people who are riding with you are comfortable when you are driving then you are comfortable on the road and then you will not cause accidents or collisions, et cetera. And then you could feel more secure in what you’re doing. So, if you’re driving drive with somebody else in the car, specifically as you see so you can gauge their level of comfort with how you’re driving so that, you know, for a fact that you are driving properly, INJs. Well ,ENTJs don’t have that problem because they’ll just drive as soon as possible.
Why? is that, because they’re really driven. I knew ENTJs over like 14 years old. They’re already had their entire life planned out entrepreneurship when they’re with their goals where we’re trying to get retired you know, all those sorts of things. And because of that they are learning how to drive super quick, why? Extrovert sensing child all about living in the moment giving other others are really be experienced ENTJs they take charge. They love to be hosted, loved to be hosts of, you know, even home events or meetings. And they love to give people the experience. They’re very, very showy. Yeah, INTJs, are very shy, but they kind wanna show just one person at a time whereas the ENTJ wants to show as many people as they can. And that’s the difference because remember this was introverted and extroverted. Three’s a crowd for extroversion, one-on-one or by themselves and solitude is introversion. That’s why the INTJ prefers to have that one-on-one relationship. Whereas ENTJ loves to have that one to many relationship which the extroverted relationship.
So as the child comes out here, and they’re very child about it and child abuse to any ENTJs basically telling them that they are ugly and they smell bad and they don’t look good and they’re dressed in crappily and they’re just completely out of touch. And just telling them that whether it’s true or not that they are giving people a bad experience whereas an INTJ would take that super personally and then they would become like hatred. They would harbor hatred towards you. ENTJs will be hurt, INTJs will hate you for saying things like that because it’s insecurity versus an inner child, child abuse versus hitting their insecurity think about it. Introverted intuition parent. This is what causes the ENTJs to be impulsive but they’re also responsible what they want. And they could actually plan things a little bit broader and actually further ahead in a responsible manner. But the INTJ can even see even farther with their own future and know exactly what they want. And they can be very pessimistic with their planning. So then at times they don’t allow themselves to over plan but then they can actually overshoot with their ambitions. Whereas the ENTJ can have their ambitions a little bit you know, hunkered down. But then again, that’s also because they’re over-planning at the same time, because, so if they’re over-planning they’re not able to reach what they want.
However, they were planning more responsibly but they ended up reaching even farther and they fly closer to the side. So it’s kind of like pick your poison. You know what I mean? So ENTJs are insecure with how they feel, INTJs are not insecure with how they feel. INTJs always know how they feel. And that moral compass is super important INTJ, child abuse to an INTJ telling them that they are a bad person, which they’re usually not. This is why INTJ get really upset when they start breaking social rules and social norms. Like they go into the restroom and start talking to the guy who’s taken a crap in the restroom, right? That breaks a lot of social rules, but INTJs are not even aware of that, they don’t care. And then that person gets mad at them and then their Se inferior engages, realized that they just give that person a bad experience. And then the INTJs feels bad about themselves because their Se inferior is off cause Se inferior gave someone a bad experience and then they’re hating themselves because they’re not aware of the social norms, that situation Not good, well. They’re just not aware of the social norms because of Fe trickster, ethics. Ethics don’t mean much to the INTJ, but morals mean everything.
Morals are everything. And INTJ, especially when it comes to them considering other ideas with Te parent, their child has to feel good about the ideas that they believe because remember a rationale Te is all about belief, it is not about what is true or false. If anyone thinks that they are wrong, rationale is about beliefs. It is not about true, false. It’s not about true or false, that’s logic. That is logos. That is Te. So they are all about beliefs and they have emotional reactions to their beliefs and their belief system. And if they have to entail, they have to verify their beliefs, their Ti critic, because they can’t feel good about themselves unless they know for a fact that their beliefs are aligned to the truth, aligned to the Ti truth. So that’s why they go there to see Ti critic and they absolutely criticize themselves on how smart they are. They criticize themselves on how intelligent they are. ENTJ doesn’t do that, ENTJ just worry that they’re stupid, but they’re not so focused on verification, although they will go to other people and find out what other people think but they’re more focused on themselves and not really necessarily worried so much about the beliefs cause they’re managing the belief systems of other people with the Te and they’re just more worried that they’re intelligent, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re going to verify all the time whereas INTJs are super obsessed with verification because they’re so pessimistic towards their own thinking. They’re pessimistic towards their own intelligence.
Whereas the ENTJ is still optimistic that they’re pretty smart so they’re not going to verify as much. So, pick your poison. You know, you have a little bit more awareness of logic but then again, you don’t verify as often whereas you have less awareness of logic, the INTJ but you are committed to verifying all the time with the Ti. So just remember how that works. ENTJs they’re introverted feeling that worry that they are afraid that they’re a bad person, do not tell ENTJs that they’re a bad person. This is why they have their virtue advisor, virtue being altruism, they’re very altruistic, very generous, allow ENTJ to do that and compliment them on that so they stay that way so they don’t go into their vice, which is avarice or greed. They can be very greedy and that could be a problem. So make sure that you remind them that you think, say the word, I think you are a good person because of X, Y, and Z listed out engages their rationale when you provide lists to them and then lists of items that are tasks and then their Fi morals kick in and feel good about themselves. Whereas the INTJ doesn’t necessarily need that, they just need to know that you’ve given them a good experience. So you just tell them, hey this has been a real, this is really great. Thank you for showing me this. You’ll make it about the experience.
Don’t make it so much about how good of a person they are because they already know how good they are. Whereas on this side, yes compliment them on giving a good experience but they already know they’re giving you a good experience because their Se child compliment them on being such a good person is different. That helps take away their insecurity and they become a better more mature person as a result of your input. So, worried about that, is very critical about what other people want. ENTJs are very critical about whether people wants, ENTJs are aware of other people being treacherous, are aware of other people potentially stabbing them in the back. The problem is it is a self fulfilling prophecy for the ENTJ. ENTJs are notorious for being really poor at delegation even ENTJs end up becoming CEOs often times where leaders in projects or leaders in companies or teams, et cetera, or big time entrepreneurs. They still have the inability to hire a proper HR because they just don’t really get people in. They don’t want to get people because Fe demon, they don’t really care about the social aspects or having those relationships with people that much. Yeah, they give those people will experience but it has nothing to do with making them feel good. So they ended up lacking that human touch with their employees. And because of that lack of relationship, they’re not really getting to know that person which means it’s a shallow relationship. And that shallow relationship leads to that person being terrible. And their performance goes down. The ENTJ ultimately fires them.
And the ENTJ ends up going through a huge Rolodex of people that they keep hiring and firing. It’s just the giant revolving door, hire fire, hire fire, hire fire, hire fire, until they find that one super loyal person that is super capable at the same time. And ENTJ will hold on to that person for the rest of our lives so much and they never wanna lose that person because of how much effort of hiring and firing it took for the ENTJ to finally find that person. But that lack that complete disregard for people’s skills and this issue is what causes this problem because ENTJs, I’m sorry, you’re just really bad at delegation. There are people that are better at delegation than you are, you know, like ENTPs and ESTPs, if your child is a little bit better with the Te critic, if your child seems to have a Te critic and TI parent and are able to actually delegate a lot better, then ENTJs, hell even ENFPs are better at delegation than ENTJS. And that’s saying something like that’s what? How is that possible? Is Te child with Fi parent teamed up with their Fe critic. That’s what allows a UNFPS to be better delegation than ENTJS, because they just have so low F functions. It’s hard for them to engage with people in that way. That’s why it’s important for ENTJs to delegate, the delegating to somebody else. That’s why ENTJs just really need an operations manager quite frankly.
It’s important from that point of view which NTPs make excellent operations managers for ENTJs. That’s why they’re so highly compatible with ITPs and ENTPS. Huh, I wonder why, anyway, so extraverted intuition there wherever other people’s intents, they’re very critical towards other people’s intentions because they are responsible of what their own intentions are. And because they’re so responsible with their own intentions, they know everyone else in the world is that irresponsible. So they are very critical towards what other people want, right? INTJs is it’s completely different. So INTJ is all about what they want. And because they’re so Fi childlike and their rationale is beliefs. They’re able to believe people. And they ended up leaving people and being overly trusting which leads to their virtue advice as basically being trusting, trust versus paranoia. And their paranoia comes from the expert intuition, nemesis. INTJs have a bad habit of jumping to conclusions that you are going to betray them and then they’ll end their relationship with you and burn you to the ground even though you’re completely innocent because they’re extroverted intuition nemesis, is just not really aware and they’re so optimistic with what their beliefs they’re so optimistic ending nemesis with their beliefs their Fi, Te beliefs, their Te parent that you are going to screw them, do their Se inferior believing that you’re not loyal to them anymore.
That’s just gonna cut you out of their life even though you’re completely innocent. So, what the hell? Self-fulfilling prophecy, you got to watch out. This is a self-fulfilling prophecy. What you literally create exactly what you’re trying to avoid, INTJ stopped doing this. Be more trusting, but then again don’t lie yourself to trust you for, because you are at risk of being gullible and you already know that. So, make sure to solve that problem. INTJs, you verify your beliefs. You have to verify and reverify and reverify. You, you know, check your list, check it twice like Santa Claus, you need to check it six times, maybe seven times, right? Supposed to forgive people 70 times seven. I would at least hope that you would verify your beliefs before succumbing or submitting to your beliefs first especially when it comes to considering whether or not someone’s going to betray you or already has betrayed you. Be nice we figured that out. ENTJs, although they are more very concerned about betrayal, they are not as bad about it as INTJs and they are more responsible with handling betrayal because Ne is in the critic slot. So this is actually more pessimistic they’re very pessimistic towards the intentions of to the people, but they’re going to allow time to pass their Se child and then also their Ti nemesis and then their Te to verify over time, whether or not this person actually is being untrustworthy.
And they’re allow a lot more time for somebody to fail. And in fact, ENTJs end up becoming even more forgiving about it than INTJs do, INTJ is just take it way too seriously. They almost take it too far, right? So, it’s kind of interesting bad at delegation, better at delegation, but not as trusting and yet more trusting more willing to forgive, not willing to forgive as much, wow, that’s like crazy. Well, that’s how they’re different guys. This is how INTJs, ENTJs are. They’re very different. Yeah, they’re both NTJs but the introverted form versus the expert reform changes everything. It changes the priority system. We’re talking about Fe trickster and how they’re just not aware of how other people feel. And Si demon the duty the past. Once they have confirmed and committed to their beliefs that you have betrayed them, perhaps you did, perhaps it didn’t, I don’t know, but they will let themselves judge, jury and executioner and execute you and cut you out of their life. You are dead to them because they literally executed you and your head and you do not mean anything any more and there’s nothing you could do to ever get out of that box ever again. See, that’s a problem.
Of course, you know, when that happens to me in ENTP, I just use my Se demon to beat up their Si demon and remind their Sid men that they’re wrong. You know, not every type has that capability. And even in some cases, they’re like, Oh, you’re still dead to me because SED with is going to chase this idea even to the ends of the earth, to prove to them how wrong they are. So over here however, introverted, sensing, you know, ENTJs want to be beautiful. They try to because they’re more optimistic about introverted sensing, but they’re also so insanely forgetful. That’s why the ENTJ lives in memory tools. They live with mind maps. They live with the post-it notes. They have notepads everywhere. They’re always pulling out their phone and taking notes, they live by a schedule. They store their memories in the physical environment, physical objects they pick up or they’re extroverted sensing child, INJs do this too. And they pick up a physical object all the memories associated with that physical object, manifest in their mind. And when they leave that physical object those memories go away, it’s because new information comes in pushes the old information out. They don’t have a really big hard drive to remember everything because they’re so focused on the moment. They’re so focused on Random Access Memory. They’re so focused on short-term memory that their long-term memory is really, really inhibited, right? So what do you?
While you write everything down, you put objects in your room that remind you things. Totems, examples of totems are pictures, paintings, songs, where memories that are attached to physical objects in reality, that is how extroverted sensing works. Introverted sensing is memories that are carried within and people remember those memories, right? And that’s how it is with the ENTJ. INTJs, yeah, they are pretty forgetful as well, but they really just don’t give a damn about their past. They don’t care about it. That’s why, if you’re in a relationship with an INTJ, don’t ask them about their past, do not initiate with their past allow them to share their past on their own. As you start asking questions about their past, that’ll just make their expert intuition nemesis even worry more about your intentions and that will cause them to go away. So if you’re trying to get with an INTJ woman, never ask her about her past experience. Only talk about your experience and allow her to initiate talking about her experience with you because that means she’s just comfortable with you, right? Otherwise, you not gonna get anywhere. If you start talking about her past, she’s just going to get ratios, throw you in the dumpster. And she probably would, and I would recommend that she would, because you’re obviously too dumb to even understand her, to begin with. So you probably shouldn’t be in a relationship with her.
So get out INTJ or ENTJs, not really as much of a problem, they’re trying remember but they just can’t, right? Whereas the INTJ just doesn’t care and they already have accepted that they’re living with life and the life of post-it notes and totems. So they’ve already moved on from that. Whereas the ENTJ is trying to try and to try to, you know, to the point where they sometimes believe that they can actually remember it for later but then they don’t and then it just comes crashing down around them. Not ideal. And then obviously we were talking about Fe and even they just don’t really care about how other people feel and that delegation issue. And yeah, I think we’ve covered everything there. So, now let’s talk about the subconscious. ISP subconscious and ENTJs, as they get older, they want to becomes insanely artistic individual. A friend of mine who was named TJ, he was actually my former boss. He started a camera company. He ended up having a lot of patrons who were like a list recording artists, for example who he made a Huey produced music videos for on a regular basis. It was absolute fantastic work I’ve ever seen. And it’s just, as he got older, he got way less from information technology and entrepreneurship. And then just really focused on the art of what he’s doing. Even took up a wind sailing for a while and started developing his skills at wind sailing because he just wanted to enjoy life, enjoy the art, what he’s doing.
And he was doing things, with anything he was doing in his life to really develop that ISFP behind the scenes. I’m just gonna create this amazing experience my masterpiece, my magnum opus, and bring it to other people. This is what the ENTJ is. And for them to transition into what they have to get out of their fear, that they’re a bad person. They have to accept and have proof and believe with their Te beliefs, that they are a good person. And through that belief, that self belief, they can access their ISP anytime become the ISFP for a limited time and really engaged in that behind the scenes artistry. IFP it’s different. They have to have confidence in their beliefs and they have to seriously want and will themselves to give others a good experience and know that they are good giving other people a good experience. And they become this amazing ESFP entertainer where they become insanely entertaining, some of the best comedians that ever live all are INTJs, because that ESFP is conscious, trying to craft, ultimate experience that’s delivered to many, whereas the ENTJ is trying to craft ultimate experience that’s delivered to one. See the difference, introversion versus extroversion. And then obviously their superego is the ESFJ, similar to the ISFJ superego, which we already talked about judge, jury and executioner. But you know, the ENTJ, you know, if you really, if they feel betrayed by you or if you have, if they know for a fact, they’ve been a good person, if you know you’re destroying their reputation and they ended up feeling like a bad person because of your lies, et cetera, they’ll activate their ESFJ and their ESF phrase like, Oh, I’m gonna give you a hug, you’re my friend, even though deep down, they’re like, I know you screwed me. And then the mother hugging you, they’re just going to stab you.
You know what I mean like, that’s just kinda how it is. Or they gonna bake you that last meal and you don’t know what your last meal and it’s laced with parasite, flesh-eating parasites. And it was an amazing meals, the best meal you’ve ever had, except for you gonna die afterwards too, like flesh eating parasites, et cetera like. That’s a very ESFP or ESFJ superego, way of doing it, right? So just be aware, you know, these superegos exist in the way to avoid them is to give, make sure that the Fi inferior always feels good and makes sure that the Se inferior is always aware that it’s giving others good experience. When they’re giving someone a bad experience, a lightly approached the subject with them show them how they can improve and they will immediately improve. The best part about INTJs, as they will be constantly asking you for feedback on how they’re doing so that they can keep verifying with their Ti critic as to whether or not they’re doing a good job with their Se inferior. It happens all the time, let them do this. It may be annoying every now and then but let them do this and humor them, because it just means that they’re committed to giving you a better experience. So who wouldn’t want that? You know what I mean, give them that space they needed. And if you’re not meeting that need, stop your relationship with them and move on, seriously, come on. Don’t do that to these people.
So with that, this concludes our episode about ENTJS, compared to INTJs so if you found this lecture useful educational, insightful, please subscribe to the channel here on YouTube and on the podcast. If you have any questions about either of these types, please leave them in the comment section and I’ll do my best to answer your question. And yeah, that was a pretty good one. And we got many more of these. I have an entire season devoted to these actually, four seasons, technically just to make sure that we’re getting all those, subscriber requested lectures on the type comparisons. And then I know you guys are also asking about like relationship comparisons, we gonna get to those, but only after the compatibility series, plus like seasoned series pro are finished, series of series, I guess, are finished. And then we’ll be doing dives into those relationships, specific lectures. So we’re getting there but we just got a lot of content to do. I mean, shoot where, I think I got like over 500 lectures to go in the schedule right now. So we gonna be at this for a few years, but why not? Please continue to support the channel so that I continue to have the wind in my sails and the fire engine to do so. I really appreciate the support of this community especially on Twitter and on YouTube, et cetera and a little bit on Instagram and also gonna be launching on LinkedIn very soon with some LinkedIn specific content. So anyway, with all that being said, I got many more of these to do so, I’ll see you guys tonight.
