S13E2 – What Is The Sacred Masculine?

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Chase: 00:01 Hey, it’s CS Joseph with csjoseph.life doing another episode. Season 13, episodes , for those on the podcast and here on the YouTube channel. So it’s our new human nurture series. We’re going to be talking about sacred genders, personal sovereignty, etc., and tonight’s episode we’re going to be discussing, or defining, you know, how does the sacred masculinity work and what that means; and, yeah, before I go into that though I would like to add a preface as well as a clarification based on the first episode of this season, season 13. some statements that I made about Jordan Peterson. Apparently some of the audience was either happy about what I said, or unhappy about what I said. So for the sake of clarification I want to further define my stance on Jordan Peterson as it currently is. It’s not to say it couldn’t change.

Chase: 01:11 I mean if I had the opportunity to straight ask him to his face, “Hey! What’s your stance on globalization and globalism in the present; and what is your opinion on it in the future; and is that something that you believe humanity would want to do en total?”, and just to hear his response on that. Fair enough. I’d be happy with his coming from his own mouth in that regard; but here is my stance: Do I [do I] agree with Jordan Peterson’s stance on personal sovereignty, individuality and the mature masculine as well as his contributions to the men’s movement? The answer to that question is yes. In fact it is such a ‘yes’ that I would actually recommend people read “12 Rules for Life,” and in fact some of the… men that I’ve coached so far here at csjoseph.life with my coaching practice – it is one of the books on the required reading list. It is what I recommend.

Chase: 02:19 Now I don’t always recommend it all the time, but I do recommend it as one of the primers, or at least a book about manhood for beginners, right; and we kind of start with that. Some of the men that are more advanced I don’t necessarily need to recommend that book because they got it pretty figured out at least in that regard. So again, I don’t have a problem with his stance on personal sovereignty, or the mature masculine, or individuality. I just don’t, {spits} and in fact I agree with him. My issue is[ is] that I am concerned that he may be a globalist, and if he is actually a globalist that would mean that his views on globalism, and his views on the mature masculine, would technically be diametrically opposed. Which would make him conflicted, right? Which could have a risk of hurting his credibility, and that could be a bad thing, right?

Chase: 03:20 So why do I have the stance about globalism? It stems back from a couple of his lectures. He talks… there’s one lecture he delivered in the Netherlands about how he maintains that globalism has failed in the past. Which I agree with, but he doesn’t say anything about how globalism would work in the present, and, how globalism would work in the future. He doesn’t say anything about that. Kind of skirts the issue a little bit. Now, of course, when you’re someone famous, as famous as Jordan Peterson, you got to be careful what you say because you don’t necessarily want to offend your audience, right? I mean, I wish I’d have figured that out because I offend my audience every day, right? Well, I mean, that’s just who I am. I’m not going to change who I am for the sake of the narrative, or for making people not have a negative reaction going, “Muh feelings,” because I don’t care about feelings when it comes to the truth.

Chase: 04:14 I will be very happy to sacrifice the feelings of this audience for the sake of telling this audience the truth, because Logos beats Pathos, and it beats Ethos in my opinion. Like, I value Logos much higher than that, and that’s just how it goes; and to be honest I do maintain that Jordan Peterson would agree with me on that. My gut tells me he might be an INTP, but who knows? I, I’m, I’m really pulling for INTP for Jordan Peterson right now based on his interaction style. It’s definitely informative. He seems behind-the-scenes, very responding. He seems very control to me, and he’s an intellectual NT, ergo INTP. That’s how I’ve arrived at that conclusion. So [so] being that he’s, like, an NTP bro, I totally understand that we would have a lot of, you know, equal footing, but just the globalism thing. It just becomes a concern.

Chase: 05:10 I watched another lecture of him actually where he’s talking about how the European Union is doomed to fail, for example, you know, from a globalistic perspective, and how it’s negatively impacting the individual; and then he’s like, and then he was either asked, or the idea came up about nationalism and how nationalism is actually very relatable, and however, he did not believe that nationalism is actually some way… It’s not really some way in which, you know, could be beneficial for personal sovereignty. In fact he’s very anti nationalism as well. Now some have argued that’s because he’s very pro personal sovereignty, and he does not believe that nationalism can exist at the same time as personal sovereignty. I have to disagree with him on that point because there was a time when the United States of America was very nationalistic, but they also valued personal sovereignty above, right?

Chase: 06:08 And based on the American experiment alone, and, you know, the existence of the Constitution, and Declaration of Independence, the Revolutionary War, even technically the Civil War and the results of the Civil War, one could actually argue that personal sovereignty, you know, was valued. Of course. then again, you get into the talk about, “Okay. Well, hold on. What about African Americans and their rights?” You know what I mean? That’s another discussion, but I totally know what you’re saying about that, but it still is important for any group of people to be focused on their personal sovereignty; and you know, [I’m not against] I’m not against nationalism provided that nationalism is not impacting the personal sovereignty of the person. We have to prioritize personal sovereignty over every other political view… Completely over every other political view.

Chase: 07:02 But then again you run the risk, and this is another thing that Jordan Peterson said, you know. “You won’t have equality if you’re free. If you want equality then you’re not free.” So think about that for a second. If we’re supposed to make sure everyone is equal then no one has any freedom. If we want to make sure everyone is free, then people are definitely not equal. That’s the difference. That’s the difference when it comes to personal sovereignty. and I do absolutely maintain Jordan Peterson understands personal sovereignty and is preaching it pretty well; but in the context of a macro level geopolitical system I am concerned that his views on personal sovereignty do not potentially match with his macro level geopolitics. I’m not sure, and it’s just a conflict that I have.

Chase: 07:56 It’s my one criticism of him at this time. That’s it, you know. Other people criticize him for being a charlatan, which I don’t think he is, you know, and other people criticize him about being, you know, [lackadaisical], or not able to employ enough Logos. Too much Ethos. Which I kind of disagree with them on that. They would accuse him of not having enough Ethos. Okay, you know. ‘Where’s your reference points? Where’s your sources? You’re very dry about this, or you’re very milquetoast about this.’ I could see that, but that criticism doesn’t bother me at all. I really don’t care because I get criticized that way all the time. So anyway. Why is this relevant? I wanted to make that distinction, or at least that preference, that clarification moving forward.

Chase: 08:44 I’m not here to say that Jordan Peterson doesn’t know what he’s talking about when he… when it comes to the mature masculine or personal sovereignty. I’m not saying that at all. I just have an issue about potential globalist leanings, and if that’s the case, and it kind of seems like it to me based on what lectures I’ve seen and research that I’ve done – in interviews I’ve seen him in – I’m not entirely inclined to, you know… [I] I just see a conflict is my point. So anyway. So let’s get onto the… After that small monologue let’s do the main monologue, right? Where I’m going to be lecturing about the mature masculine. How does sacred masculinity actually work, right? So [let’s] let’s start that right now. Yeah. Nine minutes in and we actually start to the main content of this episode. Great.

Chase: 09:40 Anyway. What is sacred masculinity? So sacred masculinity comes actually from the Egyptians. The Egyptian culture really fleshed it out back in the day. Of course, you know, this is when the feminists will start saying that, you know, “Well, back in Egypt, you know, women didn’t have any rights, etc.” That’s not necessarily true. Actually, there’s actually some research to say that women actually had a much better role in ancient Egypt than a lot of cultures around the world today, and of course the role of women, the role of the feminine, was much different than it was. Sure, they could still argue that was a very much a patriarchal society. Okay. Yeah, but [that doesn’t excuse] that doesn’t change the fact that they knew what they were doing when it came to understanding, you know, masculine and feminine roles.

Chase: 10:31 I mean, the majority of the world has existed under Patriarchy, you know, and now in the Modern Era we were dealing with, you know, mass rampant feminism, you know. So, okay. [What’s] what’s the truth? Just because the system, the macro, is patriarchy or feminism doesn’t mean that we can’t have understanding of masculinity or femininity. I mean, why would we even bother if that was the case, right? So don’t tell me that just because there’s a patriarchal system, or a feministic system, that we can’t understand the genders. [I] That’s a logical fallacy. Don’t even go there with me. So, anyway. Sacred masculinity. Sacred masculinity is very… it’s really focused on the big things. What I mean by big things… the challenging things. The challenging things of life. The sacred masculine is focused on the challenge because life is a challenge. The masculine is also focused on being whole, or complete. When a man dies he wants to die without regrets.

Chase: 11:38 He wants to die feeling complete, and feeling whole, or holy, right? A man must reach a point where the sacred masculine has grown so much that he feels holy when he draws his last breath. Holy meaning complete and lacking nothing. That’s all holy actually means, you know. [me] Unholy and unholiness: all that means is being incomplete. They just want to die a complete man. So in order to die a complete man obviously you got to reach enlightenment which means you [have] better have mastery over, you know, sacred masculinity, right? So the sacred masculine is focused on the big things of life. The big challenges of life, you know. Perhaps that’s growing a company. Perhaps that’s doing well in the military. Perhaps that’s becoming some crazy, you know, acrobat, or someone who is really good at racing cars and wins titles.

Chase: 12:36 Maybe they’re like Mohammed Ali or Mike Tyson, you know. They [they] just really have to have courage and take on the challenge, or any challenge of life. Those big challenges, right? So the mature masculine focuses on those things. It’s also important that based on that, based on the challenge, that the mature masculine does not allow itself to become afraid. “Fear is the mind-killer,” according to Frank Herbert in those books about Dune, right? Which I don’t often recommend fiction, but that is some fiction that everyone that draws breath on this earth should probably read. “Fear is the mind-killer,” and if you’re living in your fears, like, it’s the sharpest definition of the man is his fears. You need to get out of your fears. You have to because if you’re living in your fears you’re not going anywhere in life.

Chase: 13:26 You are at risk of stagnating, and you are at risk of not giving your deepest gift. [You find yourself] you find yourself being held down… You find yourself waiting, right? Waiting for ease, waiting for women, waiting for riches, waiting for good things happening to you. Like, I got to tell you that’s a lie, you know. This whole thing that good things come to those who wait – It’s not really true. Actually good things come to those who are diligent, and there is something Jesus said about this, you know, [you know]. A man who has a lot, or a man who has everything, or a man who, you know. A man who has much, more will be given to him; but a man who has little to nothing – that will be taken from him, right? So Jesus said that. It’s like, okay. So I guess that means that the whole, you know, ‘I am my brother’s keeper’ by, you know, what liberals tell me I should behave, or what right wingers telling me I shouldn’t behave like, you know.

Chase: 14:36 I guess those ideologies are incorrect because according to Jesus, you know, “If you have much, more will be given to you. If you have little, that too will be taken away from you,” right? Why? It’s because it’s about personal growth. It’s about personal sovereignty. It’s because you’re not growing because the mature masculine is supposed to rise to the challenge. It is supposed to grow. The only proof of life that exists is growth, right? Personal growth. What about it? Why don’t you have personal growth? It’s because you’re too busy waiting, right? It’s because you’re afraid. You’re supposed to have courage. It’s all about courage. The mature masculine is all about courage. You can’t reach any of the four archetypes of the mature masculine- king, warrior, magician, lover – until you have courage and it’s not that you’re fearless. You have fear every day.

Chase: 15:31 It’s just that you are making decisions in spite of your fear. That you are willing to fail every single day. I say this all the time to Se heroes because they’re so insecure about what they want, ESTPs and ESFPs. I just tell them, “Just want things, and let yourself want things, and then do those things; and if you fail you learn a huge lesson, and you move onto the next one; and keep failing over, and over, and over.” Failure is the best teacher. Each failure becomes another step towards success. By being afraid and not failing means you’re not learning. You’re not gaining wisdom, and you will never succeed in your life. How about you just fail? Okay. Seek failure because seeking failure is what will bring you success. I cannot comfort you into wisdom, okay, if you need wisdom. Which everyone needs wisdom because wisdom is the most valuable substance on this planet.

Chase: 16:30 There’s nothing more valuable than wisdom. You can have anything you want if you are wise. Let me say that again. You can have anything you want. Riches, women, cars, doesn’t matter. A loving family. The appreciation, or the regard, or the respect of your fellow men. You can have anything if you are wise, but you will not gain wisdom if you’re afraid of failure. The mature masculine. It’s about challenge. You need to rise to the challenge. So a lot of my mature masculine definition, I mean, it stems from “King, Warrior, Magician, Lover,” by Robert Moore and Douglas Gillette. It also stems from David Deida. He wrote “The Way of the Superior Man.” It’s an amazing book that I recommend you all read. Don’t really care for the breathing exercises though. Really don’t care, but when it comes to what he said his definitions of masculinity and femininity are absolutely true.

Chase: 17:36 Absolute 100 percent true. Not only that he’s an INFJ. That Ti child absolutely knows what he’s talking about, and it is a fantastic read. I highly recommend it. I was really skeptical at first when I started reading it, but [after] after, like, putting it into practice, and doing what it says, and actually taking time to analyze, and testing, and experimenting – absolutely true. My only issue is [is] that some of the things he says [is] more geared towards NFJs and NFPs, and maybe some NTPs. It’s very end focused. So, you know, the S focused audience may not necessarily resonate with what he says, but they could if you’re just patient with them. So, but yeah, I highly recommend you read “The Way of the Superior Man.” So another thing about the mature masculine – something that David Deida talks about is ‘your deepest gift.’ Men, you have to understand that you exist to give a gift.

Chase: 18:34 You have a gift, a seed of greatness, put inside of you; and that seed of greatness, that responsibility, this mantle of responsibility, [this]… this strength, this deepest gift that you have. You exist to give it to the world and your fellow man, right? Now, there’s this thing where, you know, you get in a relationship with a woman. We talked about it and how intimate relationships actually work. That playlIst here on the YouTube channel, or on the podcast, we talked about that and in that discussion we’re like, you know, “Women have this problem where they expect you to worship them; and if you buy into worshiping them they end up sabotaging their own relationship because you decided all of a sudden worship them, and then they’re the number one important thing to you in your life, men,” right? And then you worship them and give them what they asked for it.

Chase: 19:27 And then all of a sudden they start losing respect for you, and then because they’re being disrespectful you become more unloving to them, and then their relationship falls apart. And then the women sabotage the relationship; but your responsibility was to not worship them because, men, you have to understand life is about your deepest gift, and you have to give it [others] to others. Give it freely, right? Give it to people out of love. Why else do you think I do this podcast or YouTube channel? I do probably four or five lectures a week right now. I spend a lot of time and money doing this. This is my gift. This is my deepest gift that I’m giving to all of you. I’m not charging for it. I mean, it’s getting to the point soon where all charged for some of it, for some of the really specialized stuff as well as charging for coaching’ but the majority of everything that I’m doing, the foundational stuff, the general stuff, the stuff that everyone needs, I make that available for free.

Chase: 20:26 It’s important to me that everyone in the world has the chance at knowing this knowledge and bettering themselves, having better relationships with their fellow man, right? Knowing themselves, knowing themselves, right? Knowing others, really knowing them, to solve the problem of fatherlessness. I exist to put a stop to fatherlessness because fatherlessness is what is destroying First World culture. It destroys any culture. I mean, there’s a reason why Nineveh doesn’t exist anymore, right, you know. [you] {Wow. I’m using a lot of Biblical references right now, but it’s not intentional}. The point is… I mean, come on. I was. I was raised by a pastor so I’m a pastor’s kid. Of course I’m going to use what I know in certain cases. So the point is you have to have your deepest gift. “Well, Mr. Joseph. I don’t know what my deepest gift is.”

Chase: 21:27 Oh, maybe that’s because you haven’t developed the four pillars of self-intimacy, and maybe you should watch the ‘Four Pillars of Self Intimacy’ playlist here on the YouTube. There’s, like, eight lectures in it. Watch that, and then as a result of completing the four pillars, and loving your neighbor as yourself, and [complete and] observing life rule number one: above all else, respect thy self, you will have your deepest gift; and remember your deepest gift, and your mission in life takes the utmost priority. Even a higher priority than your woman, your children, your family. Everything. It is the higher priority – and here’s the thing. If you get with a woman, and you stop working on your deepest gift, she’ll lose respect for you. She doesn’t want you to do that. She doesn’t want you to worship her. I mean, maybe the immature women do. The women… who don’t really get it right.

Chase: 22:25 The women who probably end up with many different, you know, a vast array of, you know, inherit a vast array of problems, you know, or potentially lovers for that matter. Not that men don’t do this. Men who are not living in their deepest purpose do that all the time. I mean, look at ESTPs, [and] or even STPs and their risk of nymphomania. That’s just one example where that vice can get so bad, right? You guys got to understand. You have to live out your deepest purpose. You have to share it with others. You have to give it to other people. It is super mega important. It is the apex of what the mature masculine is, and you get it through king warrior, magician lover; and you get that by esteeming yourself, and never ceasing. You have to keep esteeming yourself for your entire life, forever, and never stop growing, and never stagnate. Ever. If you do your woman will lose respect for you, but it’s like the feminine world. The feminine environment.

Chase: 23:32 David Deida says that the physical environment here on this planet is the feminine, right; and it’s our masculine relationship with the feminine, right? The beauty of it all, right? If you are not living by your deepest purpose, and instead worshiping the feminine as your primary focus, well – the feminine will lose respect for you and the feminine will spit you out. Kinda like Jonah got spit out of a giant fish. Weird how that works. Don’t be that guy. I had a similar experience with that where I worshiped the feminine. Cost me 10 years of my youth. Cost me my entire twenties. My entire twenties – gone, squandered. I’ll never make that mistake again. I’m in my thirties now. I’ve done a complete 180 degrees. I will not allow it to happen. Mature masculine. You have to give your deepest gift. It is the highest priority. Even above your woman. Even above your family. You have to see your mission through. You may not know what it is. That’s fine.

Chase: 24:45 Develop the four pillars of self intimacy. As soon as you do the final pillar, which is your personal goals, that will become the first inkling as to what your deep purpose is. Your deepest purpose. Your deepest gift, right? A man of purpose. A man who rises to the challenge. A man who picks the challenge that he desires to solve. My challenge is to prevent fatherlessness because, you know, ‘in the last days he will turn the hearts of children to their fathers and the hearts of fathers to the children.’ That’s who I am. That’s what I am doing by having this YouTube channel with this podcast because I am tired of the fatherlessness, and if we do not solve the problem of fatherlessness we will lose everything we have. This entire society, all of it will collapse. It will be gone with the wind. it will be dust in less than one generation, but you know, I’m probably just a raving lunatic at this point.

Chase: 25:50 The fatherlessness is costing a huge, huge toll on everything. Every aspect of what it means to be human, you know. This whole idea of having, you know, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We won’t have that opportunity anymore if we cannot fix the fatherlessness, and the only way to fix the fatherlessness, gentlemen, is by repairing, saving, restoring, redeeming the mature masculine and bringing it back; and finally having men, real men, men of personal sovereignty, men of honor, integrity, duty, willpower. These real men, and then where men lead, women follow. That’s why it is so important to bring the mature masculine back, and then once we have it, and we’re focused on these challenges – the big things of life – then our world can change and the fatherless with us will be no more. Then we finally know who we are. We have our identity.

Chase: 26:53 Jordan Peterson talks about identity, and Jordan Peterson is saying we’ve lost the mature masculine because we’ve lost our identity. He’s 100 percent correct. He’s absolutely right. It’s about our identity because if you’re – if you don’t know your father [you] you have an empty hole in you, and it’s like, “Well, who am I?” Why else do children get their names from their fathers? It’s their identity. Children get their identities from their fathers. They don’t get it from their mothers. Now, of course you know the feminists at this point get all upset at me. To which I say, “Well, if you want gender equality, racial equality, or any equality at all, then you don’t get to be free.” Remember, you can have freedom but no equality; or you can have equality, but no freedom. That’s a fact. I’m sorry to say it.

Chase: 27:50 So what I decide is best in this world is to have that freedom without equality, but then as a result of recognizing that no one really is truly equal that we have mutual respect for our fellow men, right? That mutual respect; and then as a result of having that mutual respect, right, we see that there are other people, other cultures, other societies other communities that are just not at your level; or maybe they’re above yours, and you just respect them for that and you just let them be. Let them grow,, and they respect you and they allow you to grow; and they do not inhibit you, and you’re not inhibiting them because it’s a culture of mutual respect. Let’s do [let’s] let’s zoom in to, like, the micro. What that looks like for men. The mature masculine. You need to have relationships with other men – because as iron sharpens iron so does one man to another.

Chase: 28:44 If you are really a man you will not allow your friends to live in mediocrity. Do not allow your friends to live in mediocrity. The mature masculine is all about not letting your friends live in mediocrity; and men, you know, and then hopefully your man friends, right? Your male friends are not allowing you to live in mediocrity either. That is the standard. You need to live in your edge. Living in your edge means you’re sharp, right? You have an edge to you. You’re edgy, right? I’m edgy. I’m very sharp, and as iron sharpens iron so does one man to another; and I fill my life with a lot of real men as friends who hold me accountable, and I hold them accountable every single day. So it keeps you sharp. What keeps your edge? It allows you to face your fears instead of being dominated by them like all the man-children are. Don’t be like the man-children, you know. The man-children who are contributing to the problem of fatherlessness instead of solving that problem.

Chase: 29:48 My son, he’s about to turn seven years old, you know, [and I] and I regret that our family [is] is broken, but there’s nothing I could do about it. I had to break it up because I had to have self-respect, but I’m not going to abandon him. I am going to raise him. Then he’s going to take up this mantle of responsibility that I have when I pass it on to him, his legacy, and he will be the authority; and he will move our family forward, and hopefully he can continue the legacy of solving the problem of fatherlessness. The problem of the absent mature masculine in our world. Where he can be an example of the mature masculine because when he comes of age I want to be able to respect him, but even more than that I want him to be able to respect me.

Chase: 30:41 So that’s it for this lecture, season 13, episode two. If you have any questions about the mature masculine, or would like to continue the discussion about Jordan Peterson, leave it in the comments. I’d be happy to answer those questions, or [or] further talk about what we’ve been talking about. If you found this video educational, helpful, insightful, please subscribe to the channel, and leave a like as well. Also subscribe on the podcast as well. It’s pretty awesome, and… got many more human nurture lectures of this particular season, season 13. So we’re going to get to them, and I believe I’m going to be filming another [another] human nature lecture tonight. So with that I’ll see you guys tonight.

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