S8E2 – How Do ESTJs Compare To ESTPs?

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Chase: 00:04 Hey, it’s C.S. Joseph with CSJoseph.life doing another episode on type comparisons, except we’re going to be getting a little bit deeper into the more subscriber requested specific lectures.

Chase: 00:20 So, for example, I know that some people ask me for relationship ones, which we will get to, but I’m also going to be focusing heavily on different ones where it’s like, “Okay, what are the ESTs, or what [is] the ENTs or the ENFs,” etc, you know, where like the J and the P is different. So we have four total different playlists that we’re going to be playing with, and we just completed one two days ago and we’re on the second one. So four total seasons. We just did one, we’ve got three more to go – and then based on that we’ll have a better idea of, you know, how the types that are super similar looking (they “look” similar), but how they’re not actually similar. Why? Well we’re doing this so that we can help people, you know, type themselves properly; and so for example, tonight we’re going to be doing the ESTJ versus the ESTP. Two types. They’re both ESTs, but what does that, what does that actually mean, and how similar are they or are they actually very different?

Chase: 01:23 And quite frankly, they’re going to be very different. I know in the last season we did about type comparisons it was extraverted versus introverted variants. So we had NTJs, NTPs, NFPs, STJs, SFJs, SFPs, etc. from that more camaraderie point of view. This season is going to be a bit different because we’re just kind of be looking at the letters because people look at letters before they look at cognitive functions, and then we’re going to derive the cognitive functions and then go to a deep dive comparing both the two types together. So it’ll be great when I’m all done with these because I think we’ll have all of, like, probably 80 percent, maybe 90 percent, of all the comparison lectures done at that point, and this is going to be, like, eight times four worth of lectures.

Chase: 02:15 We’ve already done eight and I’ve done a few other sparse ones here and there. So we have about 24 more lectures of these comparisons to get through, and then we’re going to be doing that. Also I’m going to be doing a deep dive into the mature masculine and the mature feminine for the human nurture playlists. So check those out as well, and I also expect to be deploying a chat server. Similar to discord, similar to slack for us to utilize so that the community can come together even more and have discussions about type, psychology, self actualization, etc. So you will find it just randomly popping up in the description of the… each lecture here on YouTube or on the podcast, and then you can just go ahead and click and then check that out if you would like to join us.

Chase: 03:09 You’re welcome to. If you don’t want to that’s fine, you don’t have to; but it’ll be great because I’ll be sending out, or at least the server will be sending out, pings when new lecturers and the new things are going to be done up. And we’re also going to be collecting information on the server for Q and A sessions that will be made available to be, like, private… you know, it will be private content essentially because I have a bunch of lectures that we’re going to be releasing as private content. The first form of which is going to be the email, which I believe we are starting Wednesday or Thursday of this week. So we’ll find out how it is. Anyway, I just want to give an update because we’re starting a whole new season right here. I know we’re still midway through, literally half done with social compatibility, which is awesome, but I wanted to just give a nice little update telling, “Okay, here’s what’s coming.”

Chase: 04:03 We’ve got more comparison lectures. We’re going to be doing the compatibility lectures. Finishing that out. We’ll be doing some nurture lectures, doing some private lectures where we’re going to talk about cognitive transitions of all the types; and then just to kind of give you how maybe, like, the next month is going, and then we’re going to be going from there as well. I’m also going to be upgrading my website as well, So we’ll have additional features there, and those of you that are purchasing coaching sessions from me – that’s awesome. All of that money is basically being regurgitated into more transcripts on the website, and a mobile application development, as well as the deployment of this chat server that we can use similar to Slack. It’s a Mattermost server. So it’ll be awesome when we have that available for everyone. I’ve been able to actually kind of hire a couple of contractors to help me out to do that. So it’s awesome. Thank you all for the support. So let’s dive into this lecture.

Chase: 04:59 So, the ESTJ versus the ESTP, both of them are ‘DICs,’ you know. Direct initiating control, right? That’s all. I’m not saying that they’re, like, actual dicks. Although a lot of people would claim that they are actual dicks, let’s be honest, because people think ESTJs are assholes, and they also say the same thing about ESTPs depending on who you ask, but especially, like, male ones; and it’s kind of weird how that works – but yes. They’re direct initiating control so they have the same interaction style. However, the ESTJ is the traditionalist. It’s past focused, duty based, protector of the traditionalist temperament, and the ESTP is the artisan temperament. Which is freedom based, creator of “living in the moment,” having freedom, etc.

Chase: 05:42 One does what they should – the other does what they want, right? Very different. Yet they’re both ESTs. How does that work? Well, it’s because if you spend all your time studying the letters of the MBTI you’re basically wasting your time and maybe you should learn the cognitive functions. Thank God you came to this channel or are listening to this podcast because we talk about cognitive functions, and then you can just let your floaty little dreams of MBTI letters float away as they are gone with the wind into nothingness because they’re just not really that relevant. Okay. Yeah, sure. You can derive cognitive functions by doing a reverse logical algorithm to find out, “Okay, yeah, if they’re a J, and they’re an extaverted type or intuitive, or thinking, etc. – okay, yeah, I could figure out the cognitive functions,” but yeah. That’s nice to be able to do that as a starting point, but that’s really the only value within the letters in my personal opinion.

Chase: 06:36 So anyway let’s do a deep dive. So ESTJ hero is Te, which is rationale. They’re all about what they believe. They are all about… They have a lot of beliefs, and a lot of their beliefs are rooted in traditionalism. Whereas the ESTP, they live in the moment, and because they live so much in the moment they don’t care as much about traditionalism, but it’s funny though. They kind of do adhere to traditionalism, and some tradition actually makes the ESTP comfortable. Why is that? That’s because of Si parent for the ESTJ, because Se hero locks on the Si parent. And as long as the ESTP is giving a good experience to the ESTJ that Si parent becomes comfortable; and because they’re comfortable the ESTP can lock onto that comfort and absorb that comfy-ness, and then become comfortable themselves, right? Because the Se is absorbing the comfort sensation of other human beings so that they can be comfortable themselves. ‘They have to first make someone else [comfort] in order to be comfortable themselves,’ I think is the point I’m trying to make. Yes. What’s also interesting about that… So they’re like a comfort vampire, or an experience vampire. “Ooh, show me all your experience,” and the ESTP loves it when the ESTJ tells them stories, etc., right? But I mean the ESTJ is Te hero, so they’re like a thought vampire. “Ah, I’m going to eat that Ti parent. Ah!” You know, and it’s just, like, literally Pac-Man. You’ve got Pac-Man Te hero eating poor Ti parent, and the parent is just trying to protect the child, but I mean, come on.

Chase: 08:12 Te hero is going to eat the parent, but let’s be honest. The parent likes it. The parent likes to be eaten, inasmuch as the Si parent likes to be eaten by the Se hero (especially in the bedroom). So… You know, it kind of adds up. These are actually super high compatible. They’re second highest compatibility according to social compatibility, and also sexual compatibility. Functional sexual compatibility from, like, a functional standpoint – not so much a camaraderie standpoint. They are second highest in compatibility so they have really good bedroom swag, if you know what I’m talking about, but that’s neither here nor there. So yeah, they’re very rooted in traditional, but the ESTP – even though they need to have freedom to make their own decisions, and because without freedom they’ll freak out. I mean if you lock an ESTP in a room, you know, and there’s no windows or nothing, and you lock the door, and you shut the door on them, one way or another they’re coming through that door. That door will be broken down. They will come through that door, one way or another. You do not inhibit their freedom.

Chase: 09:09 But the ESTJ is fine, and they’re okay with having their freedom inhibited and whatnot because as long as they’re obligated to do so. Well, guess what Se hero is all about obligating Si parent because ESTPs are the obligators, right? “Wow. You’re really weak. You should do this so you don’t be weak anymore,” because, you know… Again, ESTPs are walking reality checks, you know. Of course one of the more interesting reality checks is, like, when James McAvoy takes this in this assassins movie that he did, you know, where they have the curved bullets and whatnot. He takes this, like, keyboard and just smashes it in his coworker’s face, etc. You know what I mean? And that scene is very… {laughing} ESTP-ish. Not saying he was an ESTP at all in that film. I’m just saying it’s kind of, like, an action an ESTP would take. That’s a nice reality check, you know what I mean?

Chase: 09:59 And… well ESTJs are built to actually take the reality check punishment of the ESTP, and that’s why they go together; because they like to be obligated by the ESTP; because they like to know what they should be doing; because it’s like, “Hey, what do you think about this?”, and then the ESTP is like, “Well, I think you should…” (Se hero) “…you should do these things,” you know; and it ends up going really well together because the ESTJ understands where their boundaries are, and the ESTP always knows that they have the freedom to make decisions, you know, when they’re around each other and whatnot. But again, how is that different? Freedom based versus duty based. All about obligating the duty based person and the duty based person will do what they should.

Chase: 10:41 They don’t do what they want, they do what they should, right, and because they’re obligated in that way they get things done and they do it in a systematic way. The Te hero lists things out. The ESTPs, do they have lists? HA!. It’s really hard for them. It’s actually a learned skill that they have to do. They have to get into their ISTJ shadow over time to be able to learn that skill, right, and it takes a lot of energy. Mental energy. However, over time, as they use the shadow more and more and more and more, they’re able to go into the shadow. Especially when they get over their worry because the fifth function is Si nemesis, and the gateway into the ISTJ… unconscious is the nemesis function which is the fifth function. When they get over the worry for the past and their past experiences and by making new experiences – especially with ESTJs, or ISTJs, then they’re actually able to better healthily {healthfully or healthily?} use their ISTJ shadow to help their Te critic organize them and create a process, or a routine, that they live on.

Chase: 11:41 But what’s nice: ESTJs, they already have their own process, or their own routine. In fact if you try to get them out of that process or that routine, they’ll freak out if not become ragey, and then their ISTP unconscious activates and then becomes super ragey and starts destroying things, you know? Okay, that’s not really what would happen, but… I mean it could if they really got, like, that angry, but… They’re going to be pretty ragey because you’ve just interrupted their flow. You’ve just interrupted their “Zen,” right? They’re all about Zen (ESTJs) because they have INFP subconscious, and the INFP consciousness is all about the Zen. It is the hermit levitating over the lake, right? All about Zen, and Zen is super important to the ESTJ. Conversely, the INFJ likes to produce the Zen for the INFP to enjoy the Zen, right? So it’s funny how that works.

Chase: 12:37 These two idealists get their heads together, and then one creates Zen and the other enjoys the Zen, right? It’s a very fascinating pairing if you think about it, but, you know, they’re very different. Like, they have different goals… Focused on receiving the Zen, focus on giving Zen, right? Giving the experiences, giving them sensation, receiving the experiences, receiving sensation. While doing it in an organized, orderly, routine way, because to the ESTJ: ‘order determines outcome.’ Whereas to the ESTP order is kind of like, “Okay, that’s nice,” but then again – sometimes the ESTP can see that the order is inhibiting them and inhibiting their freedom so they have to tear down that system. Tear down that routine, tear down the order, and put a new order that allows them to have freedom, because if they don’t have freedom they will literally take a wrecking ball and destroy that order. Like that house of cards… Boom! Nothing left. And that could piss off ESTJs to which the ESTP tells the ESTJ, “Yeah, by the way your order sucked, but I made it better. Here you go,” and the ESTJ is like, “Wow. Yeah, you’re right. Good point. Okay, let’s move on,” you know? And they’re able to have that, you know, relationship based on, you know, order; because ESTJs are all about bringing chaos into order because everything in their life is chaos, and they have to remove the chaos.

Chase: 14:00 Funnily enough though, in order to get order the ESTP sometimes has to create chaos in order to… Like, they create a mess in order to start putting things into an order of some kind, and maybe [that] they’re getting that… They’re borrowing that order from the ESTJ or vice versa. It’s a really shared relationship. It’s a very shared situation. Although I’m not really trying to talk about their relationship insomuch as I’m trying to just talk about how they’re different or similar, right? So anyway, extraverted intuition child is very important. It’s their inner child. They’re all about what other people want. ESTJs are all about what other people want. They want to get balloons and candy to do what other people want. You know, obviously if they’re like an ESFJ, which does the same that can be a problem. If they’re on a used car lot then they could be taken advantage of because of Fe hero plus Ne child can be a problem; but Te hero understands the values of vehicles in that particular moment so the ESTJ actually has a lot of control over the situation. It’s interesting. Both of these are control types, and having the same interaction style allows them to have a very good relationship in that regard because control is super important. Everything is under control, and there’s not too much chaos, and things can be done in order; and that Ne child can destroy the insecurity of the ESTP because the ESTP is insecure with their willpower. They just never know what they want.

Chase: 15:20 They end up getting “failure to launch” syndrome, or analysis paralysis, because they just don’t know what to do because they get stuck focusing on what everyone else is doing with their Se hero in order to figure out what they want; but they keep getting new information, new information, new information [that] they never actually make a decision with their Ni inferior. Which makes it difficult for them to actually function on their own in a lot of cases until they grow up and get over that insecurity; and then they aspire with it; and then they just start trying random things that they want; and not being afraid of failure, right – because fear of failure is really what keeps the ESTP back; but an ESTP without fear of failure is super powerful. They can activate the INFJ subconscious and literally bring about the highest level of social change the world has ever seen, right, and that’s what the ESTPs are all about.

Chase: 16:11 Also why Donald J. Trump is not ESTP. Stop telling people that! It’s not true! He’s not an ESTP. He doesn’t have the ‘sage of the mountain’ as his subconscious. Are you people nuts? He doesn’t… no. He’s not that. Donald Trump is an ENTJ. Seriously, you got to realize that that’s a fact. Donald Trump… Like, “Oh, he’s an ESTP.” Donald Trump is not insecure about what he wants. Let’s be honest. Donald trump does not get nostalgic. Actually, Donald trump is very forgetful. Why do you think he has to do debates with notes all the time? And yeah, you could argue that an ESTP can be forgetful, but I’m sorry. I’ve watched the ESTPs do speeches, and they’re not looking at their notes all the time like Donald Trump is – because they still have some memory in them because Si nemesis, right? So no, Trump is not ESTP. Like, Trump is not Ti parent, okay. He’s always talking about statistics and numbers. He’s always tweeting about, “Oh, look at these unemployment numbers.” See, that’s very Te. Te hero, right? It’s not Ti Parent. Te Critic doesn’t give a damn about statistics.

Chase: 17:20 “Oh, but Trump is an ESTP!” No. No he’s not. That is retarded. Stop preaching that lie to people, you know, and… Trump, like, he has a moral compass. I’m sorry. That’s a fact. He just doesn’t give a damn about how other people feel so it makes it seem like [his] he’s immoral because he only cares about how he feels. ESTP doesnt know how they feel. Why else do you think Trump [is like] makes a press conference and saying, “I feel so great about myself because I made President Barack Obama release his birth certificate,”? An ESTP would never do that, and, you know, the ESTPs watching this right now would be like, “Yeah, y’all are dumb if you think Donald J. Trump is an ESTP.” He’s not. He’s an ENTJ guys. Seriously, figure that out, you know. Get off your ESTP bandwagon, and let’s kind of get closer to the truth. That’d be nice. Please. He’s not an ESTP, you know. No. No, no, no, no. He’s not an ESTP.

Chase: 18:24 So anyway. They get insecure with what they want, but when they aspire they become ‘sage of the mountain.’ They’re able to produce Zen, right, for others, and make a better world, right, and they’re very Fe child. Fe child means they’re very caring. ESTPs are very caring. They care about how other people feel – which is nice for the ESTJ because they are afraid. They are afraid of how they feel. Okay. An ESTP does not know how they feel, nor are they afraid of how they feel. They don’t care how they feel. The ESTJ cares how you feel. If you’re wondering if your an ESTJ versus an ESTP – there you go. Do you have feelings, or do you not really care? [what] Do you care about the truth and the actual truth, the logos to the situation, or do you care about the ethos? If it’s ethos, you know, belief, or some kind of moral standard, you’re an ESTJ. If you care about the logos, the proof, the true-false, you’re an ESTP. That’s the big difference. That’s, like, one of the big differences between the two.

Chase: 19:22 So if you’re trying to figure out which one you are that’s the answer. Also, like, not Donald Trump. Come on. So Ne child can give options to the ESTP with what they want – and why is this important? Understand this. Si. The parent function is always linked to the child function. They’re in an axis with each other, which means… Remember, the first Law of Time: “All that has happened before will happen again.” Okay. That could be, like, the first law of quantum mechanics, you know; or of course I think the observation effect would technically be the first law. And I know a lot of you like to debate me when I start talking about laws of quantum physics because everyone has, like, so many different opinions of what those laws… and, you know. I mean you all can put on your Deepak Chopra, you know, caps and talk about that all day long… but no. When you understand how cognition works, you actually can start to understand how [some of the] quantum physics and quantum mechanics work because… I’m sorry. Our brains are quantum computers. Maybe you should figure that out.

Chase: 20:22 Do you know how I know? Because we have intuition. Intuition. Intuition is the fabric of the quantum realm; of the quantum mechanics; of quantum physics. You can’t have that without intuition because quantum mechanics, quantum physics – also known as metaphysics – is the “what if” – versus the sensing realm which is the “what is,” right? Oh, what is? Oh, what if. Oh, what if. Oh, what is? Cognition! {Huh?} Quantum computers. {Huh?} Our brains, our minds, our souls. Come on guys. That’s how it works. So first Law of Time, ‘all that has happened before,’ – introverted sensing, also known as the past. ‘All that has happened before will happen again’ – extraverted intuition. Which means this can be a huge benefit to Ni inferior because the ESTJ is experienced all these options before and had success. So it’s going to be like, “Hey, do you want to do these things that I’ve done before and had success for? That way you, Mr. ESTP, are no longer afraid?” Oh, and the ESTP is like, “Oh, thank God for the ESTJ. Thank God. Thank God Almighty because finally someone understands that I just don’t know what I want, and they’re giving me options they’ve had success with before, and my Se hero is delving into their experience and listening to their stories of success. I’m no longer afraid and I can make that decision, Yeah!”, you know. With, like, a little bit less Howard Dean, “Yeeaarrgghh,” you know, and a little bit more confidence if you know what I’m saying.

Chase: 22:05 Gosh, I’m all about politics tonight. Weird. So afraid of how they feel. So we’re going to go down into the shadow now. Oh yeah. ESTJs they walk around afraid of how they feel, you know, they walk… The ESTPs walk around afraid of what they want, but ESTPs make ESTJs feel better so then they’re not afraid that they’re bad people. Which allows them to go in their INFP and enjoy the Zen, and they become super amazing philosophers, especially in their midlife; and by the way if they are aspiring with their introverted feeling, ESTJs, you’re not going to have a midlife crisis. Isn’t that awesome? Yes, because your subconscious is attached to your midlife crisis, and if you are at peace in your subconscious and using it and aspiring with it you’re not going to have a mid life crisis. Same thing goes with the ESTP. Producing Zen for others because that’s what INFJs do. They improve other people and they produce the Zen. Love it. They are the source of Zen. Awesome. I mean it’s, like, I get a Zen garden and it’s, like, my own little mini-INFJ that I just deployed in my house, and it’s like, “Ooh,” you know what I mean? Dope. Also known as ‘the dopest.’ So ISTP shadow is very similar to the ESTP. Notice, the ESTJ has an STP in it, and the ESTP has an STJ in it. Weird.

Chase: 23:23 So the ISTP: “Worried that I am smart. I am worried (nemesis), that I do not know what I’m talking about so I have to go to other people to find out what they know so that I could feel good about my beliefs.” But at least they’re still willing to verify more than most people, but it can get really tiring because it takes a lot more mental energy to be in the other sides of your mind that are not your ego; and because of that, your mental energy is going down so you can’t always verify. So it’s nice to say, “Hey, ESTP what do you think?” or ‘hey,’ to what anyone says. “What do you think about this?”, and then they’re told the answer, and it’s like, “Oh, thank God I don’t have to think this out, and I could just follow the process. I could just follow the routine for success,” because the ESTJ has to have a plan, a plan for success, because that plan eliminates the chaos in their life, and they can think freely. If they spent time thinking in their ISTP mode they’re at risk of creating more chaos during the thinking process, and all that processing creates additional byproducts which creates chaos; and then they have to stop thinking, and then they have to put away the chaos so they can follow their plan and reduce chaos. That’s how ESTJs work, and that’s why they work well with STPs like ESTPs because they help them think, right, and that makes them more successful. It is a fantastic situation to be in.

Chase: 24:43 ESTPs, they worry about their past. When they get depressed they get seri[ously], like, ESTP‘s depression, [is], like, it really sucks because they get really depressed about the past. They get depressed that they’re not going to have amazing memories like they had in their childhood in their future, or in their now; or that they’re not going to be as good of a parent as their parents were when they were younger, etc. That can be an issue, right? So in that situation you would have to be kind of, like, aware of that, you know, as a problem. So remember they can get super nostalgic. How you get rid of the nostalgia, and just be like, “Hey, you know. You’re giving me a really good experience right now,” or how you get rid of the worry. “You’re giving me really good experience right now,” and then… they see that you’re being made comfortable by them, and then they become comfortable themselves and they get over their worry, right, and there’s not a problem. We already talked about Te critic and how they criticized statistics and criticize other people, and how that can be an issue.

Chase: 25:41 We talked about Fi trickster and how they just don’t know how they feel. ESTPs walk around feeling soulless, like husks sometimes. I know because I have Fi trickster as well, and it is a serious issue. They do not have a moral compass. That’s why Fe child exists: to make other people feel better, and to be able to ask other people, “Hey, how do you feel about this?”, because ESTPs do not make decisions based on good or bad. They make decisions based on true or false. ESTJs, however, make decisions based on good or bad, and that’s what I began to be like, “Okay, Mr. ESTJ. How do you feel about this?” Right? Important because they’re all about feelings. ESTJs. “EST – what? A T type all about feelings?” Yeah guys, another example of how worthless the letters are. Did you know that ESTJs are feelers? That’s because they have Fi inferior. When you have that Fi in the top four functions of your ego that means you’re a feeler. Oh, I guess that means INFJs, you know – F – INFJs, because they have Ti child that makes them a thinker. Oh yes, it does, and now we know why everyone in the world is practically mistyped, either by themselves or by these stupid tests on the internet. It’s because the tests do not understand the difference between the cognitive functions.

Chase: 26:55 Thank God for Socionics when they tried to improve the letter system, but they didn’t get really far with it… and then instead of, you know, and then they’re talking about camaraderie, and then slapping on saying, “Oh, it’s compatibility.” No, it’s not. It’s camaraderie. No, no. Shoulder to shoulder. No… and Ne demon. If you’re not having a good… now, and if they are too afraid if you do not allow them the freedom of doing what they want, they will destroy your future. ESTPs exist to completely destroy your future if you do not allow them to have a tomorrow of their choice. You have to give them the freedom to do whatever they want. If you do not give them that freedom [not only] not only will they become super ragey, but they will destroy things specifically to screw over your tomorrow because that ENFP demon will activate, and they will literally light it on fire. The things that you care about… because, you know, ENFP‘s virtue and vice. They’re very charitable, but the vice mode, especially in the superego, activates, and they become major depr[a]ved and depravity becomes the ESTPs life.

Chase: 28:01 I know a lot of ESTPs that are just so addicted to strip clubs they don’t even know what to do with themselves, you know; and it’s really hard because nymphomania is their vice, right? And their virtue is chastity: being chaste, and I don’t mean chaste like having no sex with no one. Having a dedicated monogamous relationship is technically chaste by a lot of old definitions in medieval times. Hashtag research. Be aware of that. Nymphomania is a serious problem, and then they can just go to that and it’s like a drug, That’s why ESTPs get on drugs, and alcohol, and sex more than any other types because that is [how]. It is their coping mechanism. They need that to cope, and they especially get in their analysis paralysis and they get stuck; and they don’t know what to do, and then they get afraid and they start coping; and then they get depressed because they’re not getting anywhere in life, and they get super nostalgic; and then that just leads to the depravity of the super ego, and they become depraved, and super selfish, and all about debauchery. Be aware.

Chase: 28:59 Now luckily ESTJs don’t have that problem, but they have other issues instead. They end up [they end up] destroying people’s relationships. That’s what their demon does, you know, and they’re worried about how smart they are. They’re very critical. We haven’t talked about this yet. Se critic is very critical about the outward appearance of other people. I actually, [you guys]… I’ll be honest with you, you guys notice like how I wear, you know, I always have my shirts, like, open like this and whatnot? I used to have, like, a white undershirt all the time, or some kind of undershirt all the time and it was, like, super ugly, but I didn’t even know, but I’m an ENTP. I have Se demon so how the hell would I know? But an ESTJ woman saw that on me at a bar, criticized my ass, and I changed – because she’s like, “Hey, I want to give you a fashion tip. Always show your chest hair and don’t wear undershirts like a moron. Like, seriously, you think anyone’s going to respect you around here? Hell no.” I took her advice. Thank God I did. Definitely helped in the dating area, if you know what I mean. You know what I mean?

Chase: 29:56 So Se critic is super nice because the critic function is where a person’s wisdom can exist, you know, and it’s like magic. “Ooh, ooh,” and Se critic criticized me and criticized others for their outward appearance; but the Se critic is not going to, like, go and make the change for the person, you know. Se nemesis will, but they’ll at least tell the person, “Hey, you should probably fix that. Oh, your shoes untied.” They’re always going to point that out, right, and they definitely do it to the ESTP all the time. So when the ESTP‘s around ESTJs they’re more kept, which is pretty cool. And then Ni trickster. The ESTJ has no clue what they want. That’s why they’re constantly asking other people, especially ESTPs, what they want because, “Hey, what do you think about this?”, and, “Hey, what do you want?”, because they have no idea what they want. They don’t… so they want to figure out what they should do… what their duty is.

Chase: 30:43 So they find out what other people want, and through other people wanting something they feel obligated to help, or obligated to do that thing, or obligated to bring order to that situation, because they realize what other people want just creates more chaos. So… [but they need to] but they are dutied… endowed with duty to bring order to that chaos caused by other people desiring things. You see what I’m saying? It’s kind of interesting how that works. And we talked about Fe demon. The thing [that] where ESTJs are just like, “Oh, there’s an open door. Grenade!” Shut the door and keep on walking. Boom! It’s kinda like when you’re in an office situation surrounded by your coworkers, and the ESTJ just walks by, says a quip that just completely destroys you in front of all your friends, you know, because it lowers your reputation with them (Fe demon) and they just keep on walking as if nothing happened; and everyone was just laughing their butts off at you, and it’s like, “Wow.” “Well yeah, you’re, you’re such a loser,” you know, jumping on the bandwagon after what the ESTJ said because it was really funny and very [super] superbly timed.

Chase: 31:49 So anyway, that concludes this episode comparing ESTJs to ESTPs, and that is how they are similar and they are different. If you found this lecture useful, educational, insightful, helpful, please subscribe to the channel here on YouTube and on the podcast. That’d be awesome. Also hit the little bell thing for alerts when we’re going to be [posting] when I post more lectures, but you can also get those alerts in the Mattermost server when I make it available to everybody; and, furthermore, we will be looking at more of these lectures tomorrow. I’m probably not going to be posting a lecture tomorrow night. We’ll see. I do have a posting schedule, and then {I} once I get actually solid in it I’m going to tell you guys what my schedule is so that we just kind of know what the schedule is going to be. Although I’ll be throwing in bonus lectures and bonus podcast every now and then so just be aware of that, and… So, awesome! With that being said I’ll see you guys tomorrow night, or likely the night after that. We’ll find out. I mean, I’m pretty chaotic. I’m an ENTP. I mean, you might even get another lecture tonight. Who knows? So with that being said, see you guys.

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